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AA against the tightest guy at the table AA against the tightest guy at the table

12-05-2013 , 04:12 AM
This sounds like the dream scenario. Pocket aces and the tightest guy at the table opens for $35 in a $1/$3 game. This guy is tight, but not stupid. Even a min raise looks insanely strong at this point. Since it doesn't look like anyone else is even entertaining the thought of calling is this a bad spot to just call with aces? Also what can I do in this spot to basically keep from turning my hand face up?
12-05-2013 , 04:17 AM
you have to 3-bet i think. make it $90. hopefully he has KK and shoves.

sounds like he has JJ ... raises big cause 'i hate JJ.' just wants to take it down.
12-05-2013 , 04:22 AM
I agree that I should 3 bet, but a $90 (which is what I made) is a huge 3 bet in this game. In lot of games that I have played in this wouldn't seem so far out of line, but this was a super nitty table. I'm just wondering if there is any action that I can take that doesn't scream I have aces?
12-05-2013 , 04:34 AM
What is your position at the table? What makes you think that the table isn't entertaining any thoughts of calling his raise? How sure can you be that you won't get callers behind you if you just call??

I think in general it has to be a 3bet if the answer to the first question is earlier than the BTN. There's too high a chance that you'll get more people than you want (more than 1!) calling behind you.
12-05-2013 , 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokermatt81
I'm just wondering if there is any action that I can take that doesn't scream I have aces?
Fold.

You don't need to be balanced or not obvious at 1/3. Stack sizes matter a lot.
12-05-2013 , 05:33 AM
All in obv
12-05-2013 , 06:23 AM
nah - it depends on how often he folds to 3bets after raising. Obv this is hard to tell with out a hud or reads.

Calling here and donking / raising any flop isn't bad at all I do it all the time if stacks are 100ish~ BB deep. I do it all the time online and in tourneys and it works very well - but if the guy is rarely folding to a 3bet than go ahead and 3bet get it in.

But live players fold to 3bets a lot because people in live just don't play correctly and if you aren't 3betting a lot than go ahead and flat - donk / raise any flop.

edit - min raising here is bad. Just make it an even $90 - $100 if you are going to 3bet.

I would be putting him on top 5% of hands so if you do go ahead and flat you can play accordingly as to what flops out.
12-05-2013 , 06:51 AM
Umm stack size..
12-05-2013 , 06:52 AM
Grunch

It sounds like you know more about this player than you tell us in your OP. You say he isn't stupid. Why do you say that? What have you seen from this guy that makes you think that?

It would be easier to know what to do if you tell us what you've seen about this player. Is he aggressive? Is he passive? How much does he usually raise PF? Etc.
12-05-2013 , 10:38 AM
There are lots of things that matter here, position at table, stack sizes, history between hero and villain, what sort of range you are both on, general play of table and so on.

My default though, if I'm sure that nobody else gets involved, looks like this. If stacks are short just shove. It looks more like an AK/QQ/JJ type hand. Deeper, I mix between flat and raise, the deeper the stacks the more often I raise.
12-05-2013 , 10:53 AM
AA vs AA?
12-05-2013 , 10:54 AM
Stack sizes are important. Position important.

Super easy flat against a nit. Only way he'll put more money in the pot is if you let him feel like he's in control.

(Had a very similar hand last night. I had KK in the sb against a tight players open-raise from the button. He's so tight he always has a top 5% hand here. I flat and the bb flats and I stack both of them on a Jxy flop with a x/shove, LOL! Button had QQ, bb had AJ. Button likely would have folded QQ to a 3b from me and a call from the bb.)
12-05-2013 , 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lapidator
Stack sizes are important. Position important.

Super easy flat against a nit. Only way he'll put more money in the pot is if you let him feel like he's in control.

(Had a very similar hand last night. I had KK in the sb against a tight players open-raise from the button. He's so tight he always has a top 5% hand here. I flat and the bb flats and I stack both of them on a Jxy flop with a x/shove, LOL!)
I don't floating against super nits because if they don't hit the flop with AK for example you're not getting anymore money from him. In this case if nitty villain has AK, he/she will call another bet PF, but just fold if he misses the flop.
12-05-2013 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bubonicplay
Umm stack size..
Obviously this; it's probably the most important consideration.
12-05-2013 , 12:16 PM
Lol this thread is dumb. Nits don't fold premiums.

Stack sizes are relevant.
If you have a read that he'll open then fold to a 3-bet exploit the **** out of it.

Don't get fancy just 3-bet him (don't min it either).
12-05-2013 , 01:37 PM
OP - next time include stack sizes. I don't know how anyone can tell you what to do without stack sizes (at minimum).
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