Hero w/ As Ac utg

Villain is extremely tight 50yo man. Rarely plays hands.

Hero has $400
Villain around $325

Hero utg raises to 12
EP calls
Villain calls in LP

POT- 35 FLOP- Ks 7c Js

We cbet for 25
EP folds
Villain min raises to 50

Hero 3bets 120 on top
Villain shoves for about 260

Did I overplay this?
Is just calling the min raise against a super NIT the play and then evaluate the turn?

Two pairs minimum, probably a set based on his profile

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Yes you overplayed your hand. Do nits go crazy here with AK ever? Most likely not, he is representing 2 pair+ and you only have 1 pair. I am Flatting flop and evaluting turn sense we have ya A of spades. There are a few good cards that can come of for us.

Is villain tight aggressive or just a nit? Does he ever raise with combo draws? If no I think check folding turns that don't improve our equity is ok.

Edit: Also is a raise to 12 typically get pots heads up? A raise to 4x seems small for live. You are giving villans implied odds to stack you if you can't let go of AA.

Having the ace of spades is a bad card for us. It greatly reduces the combos of semi-bluffs that the Villain can have. Having it should very strongly encourage us to fold.

Few things:

What does this old man think of you? What's your image? When you say "an extremely tight old man", what do you think of the hands he can call with pre-flop? Can he have many two-pair here? What about many of the "combo draw" type hands, is he too tight for those? Do you think he is capable of raising the flop with a big draw OR is he going to see a turn for twenty-five most of the time? The fact that you have As and Ac, eliminates some hands too that he may consider "strong" enough to raise. I think the above points are important when deciding if re-raising the flop was correct or not.

So as played on the flop it went... 25 - 50 - 170 - 260ish ? That means you're now facing a decision to call $90ish more into a pot of $495ish? You're getting around 5:1 odds on your money. You need less than 20% equity to make calling correct.

I think a good way to approach this hand would be to think about the sort of hands your opponent raises the flop with, and then move onto figuring out the types of hands he continues with vs. a re-raise. Then see how you fair against those types of hands. Obviously it's guesswork, but if you know enough about your opponent to classify him as "nitty" and "extremely tight" you should be able to figure out some holdings for him.

The A of spades is a geat card for us because we have back doors. Villian isn't reraising draws anyways. I am talking from an equity stand point. The turn can slow V down and give us added equity. Nits don't min raise and 4 bet jam draws any ways. We should be Flatting the min bet on the flop not 3 betting that is my point.

I'm trying to understand your point, should we be folding to the min raise on the flop with AA and back door nut flush draw? Seems exploitable. The raise is so small we can peel here.

Call flop and fold to turn aggression even on blanks (unless you turn a set). If he's not the type to ever raise top pair to "find out where he's at" or to get a cheap showdown, flop is a fold. As played all you beat is AK and he probably folds AK a lot to your 3bet. Fold as played

His range is JJ, 77, some KK, KJs, and maybe AK, KQ, KTs to min raise flop

Fold as played. Yes def over played hand. He is reping 2 pair + here a lot of the time.

Yeah, deff feel like I overplayed.

The villain is not TAG....he is am absolute definition of a NIT....Prob was playing a VPIP of 10-15% in the time I was there.

I strongly believe my image to him is solid TAG type. We have been at the table for 2 hours and I have not made any huge bets or shown done anything but winners.

I really do think the only semi bluff he min raise - shoves is spec QTss....I think with QTo he is just calling flop. Maybe, mayybeeee he could min raise AK (but obv that holding really unlikely).

So let's say we just call the min raise on the flop
the POT would be 135
TURN came Qs (actual turn card)

And either of these actions happen....

A). And villain over bet shoves for $260 into 135
B). Villain bets $100 into 135

Thoughts on either action?

If he's that nitty and that's the raise you can assign him then just fold the flop imo. There are too many turn cards where we will be outplayed/misplayed sucked in. We are behind his range; I don't think you have to worry about him minraise exploiting you, and if he does it with any frequency at all it will become apparent and you can readjust. Your basically saying your calling because Aspades gives you runner runner nuts. But he will freeze you out and give incorrect odds on the turn, and if you do backdoor or it's check check, you won't be able to get value from a nit, I mean hes not gonna call off a set on a 4 flush board. Cut your losses bro.

Range Villain on the NFD, 2 pair and sets. Assume we have the ace of spades what does our equity look like against Villains range with every hand we're ahead of removed?

We don't know for sure villains range only includes hands we are losing to. The one huge draw is 10 Q spades. Also we don't know how often villian is doing this with AK. We can determine his range better by the turn(if he continues to barrel we are likely behind). If the turn brings us more equity I think we may be able to continue. Villan will also slow down on all spade turns because nits fear the flush. So my goal is to make it to show down cheaply if possible. If the pot gets to big by the turn and we don't gain more equity I am likely folding to sizeable 2nd barrels.

The thing is I am not a fan of folding to the min raise. It is 25 more to call and there is 85 in the pot, getting better than 3/1 we only need like 20-25% equity. We need more information about what hands Villan would do this with. Obv monsters but there are other hands as well. Could be top pair hands as well as draws the rare amount of draws in his range. Even if he has AK some of the time we should be Flatting the flop raise.

I ran a range vs AsAc vs a range of:
KK, Ak, AKs, JJ KJs kjo and Q10 of spades. We have 43% equity
I removed KK as I think a nit never has this given the action as well as Ak.
We then have 25% equity vs hands that beat us including Q10 of spades. So I think Flatting and evaluating is totally fine. We want to see if the villian continues his agression, not just give up when being given fantastic odds on a call.

Forgot to mention that in your first post I don't see any actual advice on how to play the hand. I do see an extremely obvious statement about the villan having less flush combos since we hold the A of spades. But other than that I see no actual advice on what you would do and why.

he's a nit preflop, but is he a nit postflop as well?

Sometimes the nittiest of players can't get away from top pair on the flop, since they've waited so long for this particular hand. Is he the type to minraise the flop because he is afraid of facing a big turn bet with Top pair? Is he the type to flat AK to your flop bet?

If he's nitty postflop as well, I'm calling the minraise and check/folding to almost any aggression on the turn. If he's a nit, your call will slow him down and he will check back the turn most of the time, except when he has two-pair or better.

Though, to be honest, if he's a post flop nit, you can probably just fold to his minraise, as he has a set or KJs a lot of the time, and you are out of position. By continuing in this hand, you are basically hoping he has AK

Going b/f on every street with TP or an overpair against nits at low stakes is rarely the wrong play.

With non-committing stacks, pretty much this, imo. Villain is never going to trap us with a flopped set by just call/calling on a drawy board; he's definitely going to raise at some point with his strong hands on this board in order to protect, and then we can safely fold. If he's doing this with AK, oh well, unlucky.

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While this is all 100% accurate, I think there's an argument to be made for calling the flop min-raise here anyway, if there are people at the table who are even halfway observant.

Bet/folding is rare enough at LLSNL as it is; bet/folding to a min-raise is something that might definitely get noticed. And I don't want the 2-3 non-droolers at my table thinking they can start taking pots away from me that easily with position.

I'm not entirely sure meta-game considerations outweigh putting in another $25 right now when we clearly have the worst of it, but it's something to at least consider.

^ B/f shouldn't be rare, it's my most used tool.

And you only need to be worried if the old nits are exploiting you. I'm folding to the min-raise all the time when it comes from an OMC. When someone waiting for a 500NL seat does it, it's not a b/insta-f anymore. We're not saying to b/f against the entire player pool.

Not to derail the thread, but I'm not saying B/F should be rare for us; I'm saying it's a lot less common at LLSNL in general than it should be. I probably use the B/F line about half as often as I should, yet I can't remember the last live session where I didn't use it more than anyone else at my table.

And B/Fing to a min-raise is, well, really rare. Rare enough that it might get noticed. Not by the nits (I don't care about OMC, he's never going to bluff-raise me out of pots anyway), but by the 2-3 thinking players at the table, whom I definitely don't want to start thinking they can bluff-raise me more when IP.

Yes, I'm probably overthinking this, but in general I'll go out of my way to avoid "odd" plays like this even when they carry some small immediate EV cost.

OK, thread hijack over.

grunch: fold

against most i'd stick it in at this point even expecting to lose a good amount of time. against super nit i'm taking out all draws and expect 2P+. i would expect a set more than anything.

pre is good. suppose you could bet more but that depends on table dynamics. c-bet seems fine. but why re-raise 120 on top against super-nit? the guys never bluffs right? so you can boil this down to the classic "what hand would he call you with that you can beat?" and it's hard to find such a hand. i think there is merit in calling here as he may min-raise with Kx. you could call and attempt to call down with a smaller pot.

tough hand though. hard to throw away AA on a board where a flush and straight couldn't have hit yet. but super-nit is the one player i could find a fold for.

i like this sentence a lot. sometimes i have a bad session and know i played poorly and i can usually come back to not using the bread and butter play of low stakes live poker.... bet/fold