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AA against a lag tard... AA against a lag tard...

02-01-2013 , 07:14 PM
1-2...table is limpling a lot preflop, but seems to be folding to pre flop raises a lot...Accept when the lag villain makes them..

Viallian...is limping ATC...calls raises light...attacks weakness all the time..often pots the river...up a bit stack 350...

Hero...running card dead for the last hour...just fold fold fold...when the table started about 2 hours ago and played short I ran over it....villain came latter so he sees me as supper tight...unfortunately villain is to my left...stack around 300.

I get AA UTG....I raise 15...(10 my standard but Isolating this villain with seems likely with a bit bigger raise and as I have not raised a hand for 30+ minutes assume he can't read the size as a tell)...

Villain obliges and calls...and the rest of a table oblige and fold...

flop 2 handed...30ish...

668

I bet 25 and villain makes it 45...Whats your plan???
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02-01-2013 , 07:20 PM
What are the suits of your aces?
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02-01-2013 , 07:22 PM
Also, seat change so you can punish this Lagtard in position.

When moving, make sure to mention that "seat so and so is your lucky seat" so you sound like the average fish/shiitty reg.

Don't let the Lagtard know it's for a positional advantage.
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02-01-2013 , 07:35 PM
I don't have the Ace of hearts...

I had already requested a seat change at this time..
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02-01-2013 , 07:38 PM
He's offering you 4:1 to call. You haven't shown any weakness, in fact your bet is pretty strong. He makes big bets when he's bluffing. None of that is good news.

Raising isn't an option. He know you have an OP and that you missed this flop. If he is bluffing, he'll just fold. If he's got a flush draw, your raise is going to price him out of the hand (or should).

If you're calling, you are calling this down. The worst thing you can do is call, then fold on the turn when he makes another bet. A LAG is making another bet even with air. If you aren't willing to call a PSB on the turn, then fold now.
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02-01-2013 , 08:07 PM
GRUNCH:

His mini-raise looks pretty standard for a LAG play on a low paired board, and You still have a monster. He is most likely holding air with overs or a draw so I'd treat it as such until he shows real aggression, and he probably puts you on overs or pockets. I'd plan to smooth call here (asking him to put you on overs that missed because he wants to believe that) and check to the aggressor on the turn with the thought of raising there. (BTW - If the turn is a heart, do you have that ace?) You could also check/ call if turn is a safe card and push the river if another safe card hits.
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02-01-2013 , 08:22 PM
I'd quickly call the min raise to make it appear we are being stubborn with A/K.

I'd then check/raise all turns.
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02-01-2013 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by venice10
He's offering you 4:1 to call. You haven't shown any weakness, in fact your bet is pretty strong. He makes big bets when he's bluffing. None of that is good news.

Raising isn't an option. He know you have an OP and that you missed this flop. If he is bluffing, he'll just fold. If he's got a flush draw, your raise is going to price him out of the hand (or should).

If you're calling, you are calling this down. The worst thing you can do is call, then fold on the turn when he makes another bet. A LAG is making another bet even with air. If you aren't willing to call a PSB on the turn, then fold now.
Excellent advice.

I see people make this mistake all the time against aggro-tard LAGs, they call flop or turn bets to fold the next street when a blank hits. While it can be tough to hold on and c/c multiple streets, the earlier we make the decision the better.
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02-01-2013 , 09:09 PM
I'm re-raising to $130 and shoving any turn card. Another overpair or a combo draw is a lot more likely here than a 6 or 88. This is about as good of a flop as you can ask for with AA...
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02-02-2013 , 05:40 AM
Ok, I call the flop, (small error my part I had bet 15 not 25 and he made it 45)

turn 110
Turn is off suit 3
making the board 6683 two hearts (I don't have the Ace of hearts)

I check he checks back

River is another 8

I check and He bets 130 into the 110 pot...????
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02-02-2013 , 06:01 AM
Call. How often does he really have an 8 or 6 in his range here? He never checks turn with a 6 and probably isn't raising flop with a bare 8.
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02-02-2013 , 06:11 AM
I'm raising flop, making it like $120 maybe.
And shoving all turns essentially, or getting it in on the flop if he shoves. If he's an any-2-lagtard, he could be overplaying a pair, putting you on AK or AQ assuming you'll fold to aggression on a safe board.

Or maybe he has 7s,9s,10s and thinks it's the nuts.
Could even have A8

Why can't the guy raise flop with A8 or K8? It's just 2x.
C-Betting AK/AQ/AJ or something, guy throws in a raise to "See where he's at with the 8"
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02-02-2013 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
I'm raising flop, making it like $120 maybe.
And shoving all turns essentially, or getting it in on the flop if he shoves. If he's an any-2-lagtard, he could be overplaying a pair, putting you on AK or AQ assuming you'll fold to aggression on a safe board.

Or maybe he has 7s,9s,10s and thinks it's the nuts.
Could even have A8

Why can't the guy raise flop with A8 or K8? It's just 2x.
C-Betting AK/AQ/AJ or something, guy throws in a raise to "See where he's at with the 8"
If thats the case why do I want to tell him...and fold him out on the flop...

The problem I ran into is the check back on the turn...that begins to look like an 8 or a pair....and the over bet on the river looks more like an 8.
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02-02-2013 , 08:37 AM
Fold river
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02-02-2013 , 10:15 AM
Grunch: I'm a little unclear on stack. Do you cover?

Hand: its one of those flops where it's a lot more likely that you're either way ahead or way behind. Since he likes to attack weakness as you say I think my default against a guy like this on a board like that is to call the raise and c/c all the way down. After the hand ill pay off whoever I need to to get a seat change.

The other option is to fold pre but only if you ended up losing.
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02-02-2013 , 10:20 AM
There isn't much reason for him to check the turn with a real hand. You said he liked to bluff big in rivers. Ill call it and say nice hand if he suddenly went for pot control with a weak 8 in the turn.
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