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03-15-2018 , 11:58 AM

pixelsmile

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Oops. Title should read "in a 4 way flop"

2/5 game. 1300 effective stack.

Hero opens UTG to 30 with AdAs. MP, CO, and Button calls.

125 pot. Board flops Kd, 10c, 5d.

Hero cbets 75, all call.

425 pot. Turn is 7s. Hero bets 225, MP jams all in for 675, Button tanks for 2 mins and calls, leaving himself with 550 behind. What do I do here?

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03-15-2018 , 12:14 PM

shorn7

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Fold and I don't think it is particularly close. Smells like set vs two pair or HUGE draw to me and you likely have 2 outs, neither of which might be good (if draw is QJdd).

I might have even checked the turn after 3 calls of a decent flop bet but can't fault the bet.

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03-15-2018 , 12:17 PM

Kayron16

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I'd fold here. Against 2 people it's unlikely you've got the best hand. The only value hands you're beating is AK. You're blocking the nut flush draw leaving QJ as the only drawing hand you're ahead of. Is button calling 675 that with 1 pair or OESD? QJs is probably reraising flop and I just don't see what you beat.

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03-15-2018 , 01:36 PM

javi

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call, nobody flats your cbet this deep with a nutted hand, but fish love to just go into "aw **** it" mode and jam draws on the turn regardless of what random card is dealt. In fact this happened to me a couple of nights ago. Turn is 89TAr, I double barrel and villain jams JJ, because of course that ACE is the best turn card for his hand. Thats just how they play, get it in with any draw once the pot is big enough and they feel comfortable shipping.

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03-15-2018 , 01:41 PM

shorn7

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Originally Posted by javi

Hero in this hand raised 6x pre, got 3 callers, made a PSB on the flop and got called in all 3 spots. Then H bets half pot on the turn, V1 ships and V2 flats and you actually think AA is still good often enough to re-ship?? If that is actually true, I would be interested to know when you WOULD fold AA.

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03-15-2018 , 02:09 PM

Kayron16

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Originally Posted by javi

Pretty ridiculous statement. You're saying nobody flats a Cbet with the nuts but people flat call a jam with one pair with original raiser still to complete

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03-15-2018 , 02:27 PM

wck117

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How are there responses to this without reads on the v’s?

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03-15-2018 , 02:36 PM

johnnyBuz

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Pretty awesome game if you can raise 6x at 2/5 and get 3 calls. I go a little bigger on the flop given pre action but I am x/eval turn once all three call the flop. I don’t envision us winning this pot very often once we reach the turn in this manner.

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03-15-2018 , 03:26 PM

Phil Me Up

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Originally Posted by wck117

How are there responses to this without reads on the v’s?

Readless spots exist, no?

As played, the only concerning thing is button cold calling. We block the NFD, & shouldn't he be folding KQ/standard FD? I'd be a bit concerned, & fold based on his presence. If he's bad enough to cold call an inferior hand you'll know once cards are flipped up. I actually think MP could definitely have Kx they're deciding to just go with once the SPR dictates fold/raise & bet/folding vs his stack alone would be not good.

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03-15-2018 , 03:46 PM

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setintostraight

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Agreed. Opponents may be fish for calling pre, but once the hand gets to the turn and we're facing a ship and a flat, it's time let a single pair hand go simply based on the action we're facing.

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How are there responses to this without reads on the v’s?

Because by the time we get to the turn in this manner, reads are useless? If anything, they may be actively harmful because OP will level himself into calling based on his "lol-live-read"

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03-15-2018 , 04:06 PM

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snowman

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flop bet more $110-$125
any king will call, why price in draws
as played fold and move on

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03-16-2018 , 10:04 AM

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javi

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Originally Posted by shorn7

it's simple really, what are you putting V on?

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03-16-2018 , 10:41 AM

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shorn7

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Originally Posted by javi

it's simple really, what are you putting V on?

Many hands that destroy AA and some draws. If it were HU I could get there but multi-way it seems like pure fantasy to assume you are ahead.

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03-16-2018 , 04:05 PM

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javi

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Originally Posted by shorn7

Many hands that destroy AA and some draws. If it were HU I could get there but multi-way it seems like pure fantasy to assume you are ahead.

Many hands? Like what exactly.

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03-16-2018 , 08:48 PM

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BackDoorFlush

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Originally Posted by johnnyBuz

Exactly this.

As played, fold.

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03-16-2018 , 10:48 PM

#16

bombonanza

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puke fold, everybody villains is pretty much committed after that call except us.

AA or any naked overpair is often times weak against multi players in this kind of action, they can have 2 pairs, sets, pair + draw, etc.

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03-17-2018 , 08:22 AM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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Grunch

Don't bet OTT when you get called by 3 people OTF. If it turns out everyone called with a draw or some worse hand, congrats, but more than likely one of them has 2P+

AP- folding.

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03-17-2018 , 08:29 AM

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samo

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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot

Grunch

Don't bet OTT when you get called by 3 people OTF. If it turns out everyone called with a draw or some worse hand, congrats, but more than likely one of them has 2P+

AP- folding.

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03-17-2018 , 09:49 PM

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Homey D. Clown

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Plus, is 6x your standard raisesize (utg)? It's kind of huge. Or did you just advertise you had aces?

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