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AA on 345r board facing check shove with dead money in pot AA on 345r board facing check shove with dead money in pot

03-05-2014 , 09:52 PM
Stacks of players in hand :

BB : $385 (on the tighter side so far. older asain gentleman hadn't shown down much but had been aggressive in pots he's been in so far. seems to play TAG. UTG limp reraised once early on)

UTG2 : $140 Donkish player overall. if he gets a piece he is putting money in. Fundamentally flawed player. Been limp calling a bunch.

Hero UTG3 : $250 Been on the tighter side but had played last three hands one where I showed down 45s on a KK4J2 board against player not in hand.

HJ $200 : Players is weaker. Will shove his big nut hands without regards to pot odds and doesn't thinks Top pair is nuts.


Action :

Two limps (including UTG2) I raise to $15 HJ calls, BB calls UTG2 calls.

Flop (Pot $61) : 345 rainbow.

Actions goes check, check, I bet $45, HJ calls, big blind shoves his stack, and UTG2 shoves his stack.

Action is back to me. Whats the optimal decision in this spot?

EDIT : I realize there isn't "dead money" in the pot. I'm not too worried about either of the small stacks having a monster when I assigned them ranges. The big stack has a much stronger range.
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03-05-2014 , 09:57 PM
Fold.

BB is tight, l/c, c/shoves 3x the pot OTF. Time to fold.

Against these Vs we should be making bigger PF raises. I'd go 20 PF, 2/3PSB OTF.
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03-05-2014 , 10:25 PM
Fold. The two limp/shoves on the flop are rarely both hands you beat, odds are one of them has a set or straight already. There are a scenarios where you have the equity to call. In most of those cases though, your still less then 50/50 to win and it's only +EV because of the amount of money in the pot. If somebody flopped a straight or set your crushed.

Preflop raise should have been bigger also. Your in EP and already have two limps in the pot. A reasonable raise would be $20, but OOP that will leave you with an awkward stack size if you do get called. In these situations, I like to make a stupid big bet and see if anybody will put hero on a squeeze attempt. Make it $35 and insure they can't get odds to play any pairs or draws against you.
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03-05-2014 , 10:30 PM
I guess I'll follow up with a bit more of my logic. I'm trying to assign the villains here to some ranges and I'm fairly confident the hijacks is folding. I agree there are sets and straights out there but i'm questions how often this villain in the big blind has overpairs in his range. He's been tight but I haven't got too much information so when I'm tanking I'm really wondering that and given I feel I'm safely ahead of the other all in stack most of the time the extra money in hte pot warrent making the call because I need something like 27%ish equity to call if the big blind ever has some combinations of 1010, JJ hands in his range.

What do people think the ranges are of the big blind here? and how is the above thinking?

in my journey into cash games so far it seems I'm losing some really big pots not knowing how to laydown AA and find myself in this tricky pots.
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03-05-2014 , 10:39 PM
I would fold, you can make the $60 back easily with your remaining stack
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03-05-2014 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Slingtown
What do people think the ranges are of the big blind here? and how is the above thinking?

in my journey into cash games so far it seems I'm losing some really big pots not knowing how to laydown AA and find myself in this tricky pots.
If we have a correct image then for BB 22-99, Ax, 45-89s PF. UTG2 ATC really, I'm playing my hand strength vs him, not poker.

So against BB, this smacks his range real good, I'm leaning towards sets for him, given his overbet shove.

UTG2, I didn't hit the flop, although I do have an overpair. Still, I need more nutted hands vs a V playing ATC.
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03-05-2014 , 10:52 PM
After your bet and a call, BB isn't likely to shove any pair but 66. The ones not good enough to reraise preflop can't like the bet and call. 22 is possible for some aggro players but a decent one can't like the situation with an under pair drawing to the low end of the straight. Some players would call one bet and see if you continue with TT/JJ type hands, but shoving is move bluff then value. 77-99 are mostly just folding.

Far more likely BB has a set, two pair or pair+draw. A flopped straight is also possible but 67 is likely to just flat on such a dry board and hope you bet an over pair again while A2 is a very unlikely call preflop. How often he has pair+draw depends on player. The call preflop weights range towards sets, but I wouldn't discount suited connectors entirely for most villains here.
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