Well i feel vindicated. Was watching a live podcast by a well known pro this morning. Someone asked the question, what do i do in a situation when i have a good hand, a person raises and 3 or 4 people call? Pro response: Easy. Just go all in. It's not about even getting heads up against one opponent. It's about picking up those 20 or so big blinds without having to see a flop. It's free money.

What are you going on about
Sure you can go ahead and shove pre for whatever reasons you want to believe but don't spread it as gospel as pointed out itt with EV calculations

I'm glad you "feel vindicated" by a generic statement. Have you considered math?

In this case, we'd win $60 if we shove and everyone folds. That doesn't suck, but it's less than our EV if only the short stack called, which would be $144, much less if more and/or different people called.

Of course, they likely wouldn't call, which is why we get more EV from a smaller raise. Beating an EV of $60 here is relatively easy.

I would take a slightly different approach to my 3bet sizing, more leaning towards the IO I'm looking to offer my opponents. I typically aim for poorish 8:1 odds because those are the odds of flopping a set against me, of course their sets aren't always going to get paid off (such as if I had AK and whiffed, had KK on an A high flop, or I simply outflop / runner runner them), plus they will often have even poorer hands than setmining hands (which require even bigger IO). So, with that in mind, there's about $400 in play, so to offer 8:1 to the first caller with a deeperstack that would be a raise of about $50, so about $65. Course if I expect a few callers that gets them more to 10:1 IO territory, so with this many people already involved I'd be cool with bumping it up slightly more, so $80 is certainly within that ballpark.

Postflop is trivial, I just stack off every time (except perhaps facing multiple action on the grossest of boards). Preflop ensured that no on got the IO they need to see the flop, even if I stack off every single time I'm drawing ~dead.

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I'm probably at the 90 to 100 mark for raise.

Out of interest if hero was in SB instead of butt, what are peoples thoughts? Same size or bigger? I'm probably 110 out of the SB.

You're not folding AA here. You're putting it in.

Only hand you are realistically behind is 99. 2s and 4s aren't cold calling $80

Ahead of everyone else's overpairs and draws

My initial thoughts out of the small blind is in would keep around 95 to keep a re jam available if UTG shoves

Havent read other responses here, but I think $65-$75 is best pre. It will get you into an under SPR 2 spot with everyone who chooses to call and they may call wider on a smaller amount which we want given we have the value nutz pre.

That flop is an auto stack off for me with these stacks.

Do not do this. We need to bet size t get the most value from our hand and shoving is awful. That is scared $ or zero confidence in our post flop ability.