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Old 08-20-2018, 01:09 AM   #1
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AA at $2/5

I'd like some criticism of where I went wrong with Aces at this $2/5 game. Game is playing pretty loose/passive, late on a Saturday night.

UTG opens to $25, V1 (old man who love to call any two connected cards) calls, 2 more callers behind.

V1 is effective stack with ~$1k, hero has $1.2k (table average $1-1.5k).

I wake up in SB with black aces, raise to $125.

Only V1 calls.

Flop Jh9h8d

I bet $200, V1 calls.

Turn 5c.

I check, he bets $200 and I call.

River Tc, I check he bets $400 and I fold.

The river seems like a trivial fold since now I'm not even beating queens but I'd love to get some criticism of earlier streets and how I could avoid getting here.

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Old 08-20-2018, 01:26 AM   #2
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Re: AA at $2/5

How can we give good advice if you don't post the stack sizes?
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:27 AM   #3
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How can we give good advice if you don't post the stack sizes?
Sorry, added.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:29 AM   #4
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Re: AA at $2/5

Looks like on the turn, the pot is about 700, and you're playing about 675 behind. Not sure why you shut down ott. I would just rip it all in.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:32 AM   #5
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Looks like on the turn, the pot is about 700, and you're playing about 675 behind. Not sure why you shut down ott. I would just rip it all in.
I felt like this flop hit his 3-bet call range very hard. He has *tons* of straights, sets, and 2p in his range while I have almost none.

Realistically, what is he calling with that I beat? He very consistently 3-bets with QQ+ (from my experience) so I feel like this only targets AJ/TT.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:44 AM   #6
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Re: AA at $2/5

Shove the turn if youíre checking after betting flop. What a nice turn card.
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:44 AM   #7
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Re: AA at $2/5

JT, TT, T9, T8, KhTh, Ah7h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 5h6h, 5h4h.

His flop calling range is super wide. He also doesn't have to call hands you beat in order for shoving to be better than checking. If he only calls hands that beat you, he is necessarily folding over 2/3 of his flop call range, so shoving becomes super profitable.
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Old 08-20-2018, 09:26 AM   #8
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Re: AA at $2/5

3! Bigger 150$-175$
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:02 PM   #9
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3! Bigger 150$-175$
Yes, I think that was my biggest mistake here - if he's going to call with random hands in the hopes of nut-mining me then I should be charging him heavily for that opportunity. Pulling in a $100 pot rake-free isn't the worst option either.

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JT, TT, T9, T8, KhTh, Ah7h, 8h7h, 8h6h, 5h6h, 5h4h.

His flop calling range is super wide. He also doesn't have to call hands you beat in order for shoving to be better than checking. If he only calls hands that beat you, he is necessarily folding over 2/3 of his flop call range, so shoving becomes super profitable.

I don't think his range is *that* wide here. I'd remove 8h7h, 8h6h, 5h6h, 5h4h from itóhe likes to play a lot of hands, but he's not absolutely terrible.
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Wat. Folding suited connectors preflop IP for less than 15% effective is something hardly any live players do, at most like 25% are capable of it.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:17 PM   #11
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Re: AA at $2/5

Bigger pre, I like ~160.
The u can either take a check/call line on the flop, or a bet/shove line.
But I donít like a bet/Check line here with these stack sizes


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Old 08-20-2018, 07:54 PM   #12
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Re: AA at $2/5

turn is a great brick for your hand, when he bets 200 what do you think that bet means? its clearly small in relation to the pot.. I think you could jam on him to deny equity to draws and get value from some hands that might feel priced in .. definitely not the best run out for you tho
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Old 08-20-2018, 11:30 PM   #13
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Re: AA at $2/5

Pre way bigger, at least $170.

Flop fine.

Ott snap shove, no real reason to check here and if you do check it's a x/jam.
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Old 08-21-2018, 10:56 AM   #14
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Pre way bigger, at least $170.

Flop fine.

Ott snap shove, no real reason to check here and if you do check it's a x/jam.
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Old 08-22-2018, 10:03 AM   #15
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I'd like some criticism of where I went wrong with Aces at this $2/5 game. Game is playing pretty loose/passive, late on a Saturday night.

UTG opens to $25, V1 (old man who love to call any two connected cards) calls, 2 more callers behind.

V1 is effective stack with ~$1k, hero has $1.2k (table average $1-1.5k).

I wake up in SB with black aces, raise to $125.

Only V1 calls.

Flop Jh9h8d

I bet $200, V1 calls.

Turn 5c.

I check, he bets $200 and I call.

River Tc, I check he bets $400 and I fold.

The river seems like a trivial fold since now I'm not even beating queens but I'd love to get some criticism of earlier streets and how I could avoid getting here.
You messed up preflop. It should be at least 4x the initial raise from the blinds, plus 1x more for every caller. That means this is a clear 175. Given all the action, maybe more. Like why not make is 200 here if you'll get a caller? If V1 calls, you'd have 475 in the middle and 800 in stacks. Easy to go bet 280 / jam on this texture.

As played, turn is a shove. Tons of stuff that don't have you beat could call that flop. You need to be charging them here.

As played, river is a clear fold.

But yeah, the true mistake of this hand is not making it like 200 preflop. Maybe like 190 so that people are less psychologically intimidated by the amount.
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