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08-03-2015 , 05:59 PM

ThaSharif

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Live 2/5 NLHE. A passive player limps UTG. I have A9s UTG+1 in an 8 handed NLHE game. I raise to $20. MP calls, LP reraises to $80, folded around, I fold.

Wanted to hear people's thoughts on whether or not to raise the UTG limper with A9s?

Is it better to simply call behind and hope to get a multi-way pot? If we simply call, we probably do not get raised off our hand and can see a flop for ~$25-30 when LP raises limper.

It seems as if neither limping or raising can be that bad, but what is a good default play in such a position facing a passive limper?

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08-03-2015 , 06:38 PM

TheMurderShow

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Originally Posted by McBain86

Don't just think about the guy limping when making a decision. Think about the villains that have yet to act after you as well. If they're aggro and reraising you or others a ton then you can just call but if they're tight passive and folding frequently it's ok to isolate raise the limper. Also if villains behind you are smart and aggressive and won't pay off flushes don't bother with your hand your hand is trash oop , pick a more suitable hand that does well in multiway pots to limp with.

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08-03-2015 , 07:20 PM

heathen1

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op= fish trying to exploit bigger fish

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08-03-2015 , 08:06 PM

TheMurderShow

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Originally Posted by heathen1

op= fish trying to exploit bigger fish

Cmon dude be nice to op, this is a place where ppl come to learn poker , not take insults.

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08-04-2015 , 04:36 AM

adam levine

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Aren't we all fish trying to exploit bigger fish?

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08-04-2015 , 11:05 AM

BradWilson

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Originally Posted by adam levine

Aren't we all fish trying to exploit bigger fish?

nice

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08-07-2015 , 07:08 PM

ThaSharif

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Originally Posted by heathen1

op= fish trying to exploit bigger fish

So, Mr. Shark, what would you do in this spot?

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08-08-2015 , 11:17 AM

PositiveEV

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I'm fine with the isolation if you have information about everyone, including a plan as how to maximize value against all opponents, and you are comfortable playing OOP with a weak ace. I don't know too many people who are good with the latter though.

Limp/calling (@100bbs) would be bad at an aggressive table because you will be OOP through the hand, most likely miss the board and then face a c-bet.
At a passive table, limping would be great. If you hit, you're stacking. If you miss, you lost close to nothing.

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08-08-2015 , 11:25 AM

6betfold

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Grunch:

Just reading the title, fold pre.

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08-08-2015 , 12:46 PM

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QuadJ

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$20 isn't going to cut it as an isolation raise at 2/5 unless the table is very tight.

Isolating a worse player is the right idea, but A9s is barely good enough for the isolation play in a good situation. In EP the problems of potential action after are more important then the advantages of isolating the fish, so you really need a hand that would be worth raising even if there wasn't a limper. With for better position or a stronger hand.

Limping isn't good either because A9s doesn't want to hit one pair. You won't catch two pair+ often enough and draws play badly OOP.

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08-08-2015 , 12:47 PM

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turbo-travis

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fold pre

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08-08-2015 , 01:07 PM

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kookiemonster

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I don´t love it. Dominated hand vs UTG´s range and terrible position.

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08-08-2015 , 01:20 PM

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ZuneIt

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Originally Posted by heathen1

op= fish trying to exploit bigger fish

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Originally Posted by McBain86

So, Mr. Shark, what would you do in this spot?

Take a look at his other posts. He's a troll.
In b4 heathen1 is banned.

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08-08-2015 , 02:57 PM

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D.M.O.U.

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I would fold, but I am sure some players can play this +EV by raising

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08-08-2015 , 04:01 PM

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bobman0330

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This seems like a pretty standard open and fold.

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08-09-2015 , 01:59 AM

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Amanaplan

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Originally Posted by McBain86

Generally a player limping UTG to your direct right is going to be more easily exploited when you are both closer to the button which will in turn make it harder to exploit you in the process. You're not accomplishing much aiming to ISO in EP.

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08-09-2015 , 02:08 AM

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Aramail

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I fold this.

I think someone much better than me could raise this profitably though. If they did it would depend on stack sizes but I bet it would be to more than $20.

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08-09-2015 , 03:05 AM

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surf doc

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

This seems like a pretty standard open and fold.

That is because it is.

I never come in to this forum but I'm impressed by how poorly thought out the responses are. The hand is fine. The sizing is fine. The only thing we should be told are effective stacks. Folding this preflop in a live game would be atrocious. Overlimping would be +EV but raising to isolate is more +EV and completely standard. There is no good reason to blast it to 10b

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08-09-2015 , 03:29 AM

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NeverLosesAtPoker

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This may sound counterintuitive but in general A9s is a hand that plays well multiway but not that great HU or 3 ways in a raised pot. If players are not playing exploitatively then you can limp or raise but not with the purpose of isoing. At tough tables this is a super easy fold from UTG+1

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08-09-2015 , 04:31 AM

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scelsi

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Effective stack is the determinant, here. If even one LP opponent is somewhere between 70-100bb (let alone yourself), you're better off folding EP because you'll face a lot of 3bets that you can't call, vs a situation where all opponents are deep 200+bb. In general, AXs goes up in value as effective stack size increases.

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08-09-2015 , 04:53 AM

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NeverLosesAtPoker

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Good point scelsi.

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08-09-2015 , 05:32 AM

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strongrad50

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

This seems like a pretty standard open and fold.

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08-09-2015 , 03:12 PM

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smmcoy

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Originally Posted by Aramail

I fold this.

I think someone much better than me could raise this profitably though. If they did it would depend on stack sizes but I bet it would be to more than $20.

Horrible, bad, lousy, bet. Opening this to 4x is completely, totally, absolutely standard.

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Originally Posted by surf doc

Please post more.

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08-09-2015 , 07:03 PM

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ThaSharif

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Effective stacks are 100bbs

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08-09-2015 , 11:59 PM

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BraveJayhawk

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I'd overlimp pre. There's plenty of limping in these type of games. Doesn't matter if it exploitable. There's nothing wrong with folding if someone raises behind you

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