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Old 01-09-2020, 01:43 AM   #1
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A9o

A9o at a very loose and crazy table, half the table are raising 15 dollars with kxo and just other random hands 74o etc, just to give an idea of the weird table

A9o on the button

4 players in mid to late call 2, I call 2

Sb folds, bb raises to 15

3 players call, I call
Flop comes j99 rainbow
Bb bets 75
Everyone folds
It's on me
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Old 01-09-2020, 02:01 AM   #2
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Fold pf. How much does bb have left? I mean just call most likely.
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Old 01-09-2020, 02:21 AM   #3
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Fold pre to the $15 if you can’t resist limping.

I’m not sure we can do anything other than call down. Easy turn and river bet if he checks

If the turn’s a K or Q and he bombs it it’ll raise red flags but calling at least one more time. I may let it go by the river if one of those cards roll off since we’re blocking AA and I doubt he has a single 9 in his range
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Old 01-09-2020, 06:20 AM   #4
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Depends on the stack depth but mostly just call. This pot is bloated already so I doubt we will need to raise.
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:37 PM   #5
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Fold pf. How much does bb have left? I mean just call most likely.

Bb had roughly 200 left, I had about 170
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Old 01-09-2020, 12:54 PM   #6
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Yeah just call.
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Old 01-09-2020, 01:33 PM   #7
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I'm new here (returning after a long break at least), but how is this not a jam, especially given the stack sizes?

The only hands I'm worried about are J9 or JJ (6 combos). There are many more Jx or 9x hands that you are way ahead of and if he's betting the draw (or a whiff as a big C-bet), you're ahead and want the stacks in now. There are very few turn cards that significantly decrease your equity, but lots that decrease his.

If the read on the table is accurate, the BB could be raising here with a wide open range and even though he likely has some kind of a hand to bet that large on the flop, many I play against would do it with any pair or broadway draw here along with the hands that hit some piece. Not to mention this large of a bet doesn't look like it wants a call. Of those that call, you're ahead of at least 96% (QQ+(18), J8+(60), 98+(5), 87-AK (90)= 173 vs 6). If you happen to run into it this time, that's more money on the table when you rebuy.

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Old 01-09-2020, 02:27 PM   #8
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I'm new here (returning after a long break at least), but how is this not a jam, especially given the stack sizes?

The only hands I'm worried about are J9 or JJ (6 combos). There are many more Jx or 9x hands that you are way ahead of and if he's betting the draw (or a whiff as a big C-bet), you're ahead and want the stacks in now. There are very few turn cards that significantly decrease your equity, but lots that decrease his.

If the read on the table is accurate, the BB could be raising here with a wide open range and even though he likely has some kind of a hand to bet that large on the flop, many I play against would do it with any pair or broadway draw here along with the hands that hit some piece. Not to mention this large of a bet doesn't look like it wants a call. Of those that call, you're ahead of at least 96% (QQ+(18), J8+(60), 98+(5), 87-AK (90)= 173 vs 6). If you happen to run into it this time, that's more money on the table when you rebuy.

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Old 01-09-2020, 03:27 PM   #9
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Sure, I understand that point of not encouraging the fold.

I think my point is the BB would most likely make the call after a shove for another $95 (into a $320 pot). The only hands that may see the light and fold would be Jx and maybe overpair. I think this is the best spot to get in stacks as the turn would change the math significantly. Get both streets of value now.

Hero calling this big of a bet with less than half pot behind shows more strength than the reraise.

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Old 01-13-2020, 06:32 AM   #10
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A9o at a very loose and crazy table, half the table are raising 15 dollars with kxo and just other random hands 74o etc, just to give an idea of the weird table



A9o on the button



4 players in mid to late call 2, I call 2



Sb folds, bb raises to 15



3 players call, I call

Flop comes j99 rainbow

Bb bets 75

Everyone folds

It's on me

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Old 01-13-2020, 06:35 AM   #11
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call
jam turn if checked to
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