Villain is a known whale but generally pretty passive/stationy.

1/3 NL. A8ss on co. 5 handed. Playing 700 eff.
Utg Call 3, I raise co 15, fold, fold, bb raise to 40, utg fold, I call. Hu to flop ip.
(pot 84) Flop 923ssx
Bb cbet 60, I call.
(Pot 204) Turn 923ssxAc
Bb bet 120, I call.
(Pot 444) River 923ssxAc7h
Bb bet 240, I call.
Shows AhKd

Thinking a flop raise would be better. Or as played a river fold. Not sure though as I was getting 3/1 on river.

withhold results next time, your preflop call is spewy

what do you do when you flop an ace and face continued aggression, youre completely dominated

what do you do when you flop an 8 top pair and face continued aggression, youre completely dominated

and most importantly what do you when you flop the nut draw and turn the ace lol, youre bleeding chips hard and likely not even getting paid when you bink it....

AP raise that flop (200) its exactly the flop you wanted when you made the horrible flat pre now you GII vs overpairs and pray, in this case you actually probably get AK to fold

I'm getting 2.5/1 heads up vs a whale in position and we're deep. Surely it's not that bad? Obviously I'm not going broke with 1 pair.

reread hand history

Fold to 3b.

Raise the flop.

Rest is meh.

I didn't go broke. But understand the implications of my reversed implied odds. Guess I should just fold pre but 3bet size was small.

you described V as stationy and passive lol and now hes 3betting you out of the blinds, im surprised he didnt have bullets...

these types of villians always 3bet small, its no reason to flat, its super tough for you to play postflop with your hand against his nutted range, and even when you flop gin like you did you play passive like him and let him catch up, hammer that sh it

The Villain convinced you put in over 150 big blinds while he was ahead pre-flop, flop, turn, and river. It's a very easy fold pre.

Next time leave off results.

I also raise preflop.

Well, we're getting pretty good implied odds of almost 30x to call preflop, plus will be in position. But we're unlikely to make much money off him postflop with Axx flops if we're ahead (and will probably lose a little if behind). We just really need to so smash this flop. And with him being stationary, I just don't see us having too much FE postflop. Kinda dicey call, imo.

I also just call the flop. He's stationary and looks like he has an overpair. Let's just hit our hand and go to town then.

Ug, I was hoping we weren't going to hit an A. I again just call. We could be good but we fear no draw, and we'd hate to be blown off ours, and a raise might just get him to fold worse (and there's always the chance we're up against AA).

On the river, we only have a little over a PSB left. We're basically behind one combo of AA (or can he have 99 / etc.) here? Is 54 really a possibility, I guess it depends on his preflop tendencies. Overall, he's described as passive, so I'm basically boiling things down to the only hand beating us being AA. He's never folding Ax (such as AK). He might sigh call with KK- given the pot size and the busted draw. So I *think* I get the rest in, with the one exception being that if he's one of the super passive players that has a preflop 3betting range out of the blinds of KK+.

ETA: I don't agree with everyone raising the flop. We're still quite deep and we're up against a passive station who just 3bet out of the blinds (i.e. should have very little FE). Let's just hit our hand, imo.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I kind of feel like raising the flop is appropriate. Our hand has pretty good equity against overpairs and it really puts villain in a tough spot with TT/JJ. We probably at the very least buy ourselves a free river and set up a shove for the times we turn a flush.

As played, the river is probably a fold. Yeah, our price is awesome, but what could he be betting the river with that we beat other than pure bluffs, which passive stations very rarely show up with.

this is key and sort of the whole point
id also imagine when we check back turn after raising flop he might stab at the river and depending on runout we have a pretty easy bluff raise there

I'd be more cool with a flop raise if stacks behind were a lot shallower (and thus the money in the pot now is worth winning) and we expected to have more FE. The only hand we have FE against on the flop is Ax (which will, admittedly, probably fold).

He can't show up with KK (betting to protect against the draw, then betting the river partially as a blocking bet and partially cuz, like, KK?) or Ax?

GcluelessNLnoobG

If he calls the flop raise and donks the river, I'm thinking our bluff raise gets thru exactly never.

GcluelessNLnoobG

The call preflop is fine as deep as you are, but only if you are going to raise when you flop a huge draw, like you did. You'll fold out AK which has you dominated and you'll get called by some (but not all) overpairs. It is a terrible play for him to shove on you, so he almost certainly won't do that. You can then reevaluate on the turn and see if you want to continue a bluff or get a free card. When the ace falls makes for a perfect check behind as you can extract value from overpairs on most rivers if you act scared if the ace.

JFC, my reading comprehension is ****. I thought we rivered two pair. My bad.

GfoldingtheriverG

When a passive/stationy whale bets all streets. What do you beat on the river? The ace on the turn didn't scare him.

You have FE on the flop. Put in a huge raise.

hahaha yea that is way too creative and ambitious i was just contemplating if the runout is low and he has an overpair like JJ he might lead river for value after we check turn and then convince himself that his hand is indeed no good when we shove and that we backed into a 2p or str8, but too ambitious for llsnl

wed have to be up against a pretty aggro spewy villian instead, but even then.....there would be much better spots to get fancy

Fold pre!!! Passive dude 3! PF it's at widest QQ+\AK. Usually more like KK+\AKs. GTFO PF. After you call you cant fold the flop cuz it's about as good as you could hope for. Ott don't overvalue your ace cuz it's worthless. Definitely fold the river. You lost so many chips unnecessarily! Fold pre, fold turn, fold river....and fold pre.


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Grunch: arg results. Why?

Preflop is an obvious fold.

Flop depends on his 3 bet pre range and his Cbet frequency. Calling is probably bad since you likely won't get paid.

Rest is chasing and quite bad.

I fold pre. If he's truly as bad as you say I play for spades assuming he will payoff. The ace is worthless imo. Should be a reverse hh where you do this to him.

Really dislike this call. When a weak/passive and stationy player wakes up like this, time to LQQK OUT! He found something he likes, and it's got to be better than a suited "Dead Man's Hand". I'm 15 into this already: it didn't work and I'm cutting my loss here, especially against a weak/passive whale. There will be better opportunities to take advantage of him.

Since you got this far, calling is preferable to raising a known sticky player with nothing more than a bare flush draw. Are you sure you have implied odds here? That's a lot to pay to draw. If he finds a fold button when the third of your suit rolls off, it's a bad call.

A raise here would be for value. I'd rather have a suited A9 here so's there would be the extra edge of having TPTK to go along with the nut flush draw. A sticky whale who's taken an active position twice isn't going to lay down to any raise.

The rest is terrabad. You took your chance to bink a flush and failed. That turn ace is hideous. You don't have a kicker big enough to beat the board. Your drawing equity has largely disappeared, and you have no fold equity as a sticky station isn't laying down any ace that beats yours. Time to stop throwing good money after bad. Remember: he's a sticky fish. You save the money now to have enough bullets to fire at him when you have the clear advantage and he'll pay you off.

You both are deep enough to call with position.