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02-27-2014 , 11:13 PM
I know that I messed this hand up. In retrospect lead flop lead turn would've been the best line. Playing OOP suuuckkkkss.

1/1 game. This game has an average open of 11-17 dollars. These usually produce 3-4 way pots. 3bets don't tend to get hands HU unless they're huge. Few pots in this game end on the flop.

V1 100BB. loose aggressive preflop. Probably opening as wide as Kx Qx suited. Folds to most three bets. Very fit or fold post but has it in him to stab once at pots. Tilty. Seems to have sizing tell preflop of raising small with speculative hands.

V2 350BB. will call along wide in position preflop, raises wide if first in, tricky postflop player. Likes to chase without odds, tendency to barrell if he has the lead.

H. (covers) playing TAG, probably seems ABC to table. Has made a couple FPS moves but never showed em down. Had 5 big showdowns in 5 hours. One where I LRR/GII pre with AKo from UTG and brick against 33. One where I double through AJ with A7 that I opened from the CO on a A7x flop, one where I check raise flop/GII on turn vs a an unpredictable lag with TP9K on a monotone board vs the bare A and he bricks the river. One where I raise pre/GII on lockdown flop with AA and win.

V1 raises to 12 from MP, V2 flats HJ, CO folds, BN folds, I call SB with A8hh. BB calls.

Flop Q 4 2 (37)

Hero checks

V1 donks 17, V2 raises to 35

Hero flips out and pauses, V2 stares hero down

Hero flats

V1 folds

Turn (124) 8

Hero leads 70, V1 flats

River (264) K

Hero leads 100

V folds

Post hand analysis - Preflop this may be too strong hand of a hand to fold this deep. I don't like a 3B on this table because nobody folds to them and, well, i'm in the SB. So, I flat.

Donk instincts came over me when my heart popped through my chest flopping gin this deep. must check! I think leading 25 here is optimal given this game dynamic.

When V1 leads flop he could have top pair, or Cbet air.

To raise flop, V2 I think has TPTK, 2p, sets, some smaller flushes (he might flat these). I think his only air is A semibluffs so he doesn't have that.

I think a cold c/r3bet is a decent line to take here; some players are doing that with the bare flush draw. I think V2 might see right through that though, and this move works better if it's a jam. instead of a $70-100 raise with 200 behind.

Once turn falls 4th heart I have to get some value from these cards so I lead 70. Meh could be bigger, but this denies sets direct odds (70:193>1:3.6). Villain flats so I put him on sets, 2P only. I dont think he's calling down with a lower flush.

River size is only a 1:1 SPR so I should probably jam. But villian is folding to any jam so I thought I'd try to get some value or give him a chance to spaz out.


SO!

Tell me how dumb I am for calling preflop, or check-flatting the flop, or my turn/river sizing. How can I fix this hand? Are there lines I'm not considering here?
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02-27-2014 , 11:52 PM
You are correct that this is why being OOP sucks. W/ V1 in the hand I'm not sure I want to give enough action pre to thin the field, so flatting is definitely reasonable.

Given V2's tendency to barrel I like the flop flat. Anything you do is going to look super strong, but flatting increases the chances someone will see the next card in a pot you are almost never going to lose. Ranges are much wider than sets and 2 pair here. Keeping a player in who will be the next card for us is big.

With this in mind I check the turn, if he bets big I'm jamming to stack his sets and smaller flushes, if he bets small I may call down and attempt a c/r otr.
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02-28-2014 , 12:08 AM
I think calling preflop is fine as long as you can get away from weak hands that you may make.

I would probably raise flop. We got 350bb's we are trying to get in the middle and V2 looks like he wants to play.

I also don't mind just flatting trying to keep V1 in there. If I'm flatting like you did I'm not leading the turn. You say V2 likes to barrel if he has the lead so just check and let him bet. Leading out looks strong to me and won't get called by many hands so I just think you cause him to fold out all the hands he would bet.

How do you have the 8h when it came on the turn?
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02-28-2014 , 12:09 AM
Sorry turn was 7h
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02-28-2014 , 12:09 AM
How can the turn be the 8h if you have Ah8h?

PF is meh, I prefer squeeze or fold being OOP. On the flop, I like leading here. After V2 minraises the flop, I'm 3-betting; once some raises post-flop, they're very often committed to the hand and any heart on the turn could kill your action.
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