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Old 12-04-2017, 08:20 PM   #1
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A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Playing 1/3 NL, effective stack is $320ish

UTG raises to $15
I call in UTG+1 with A8hh
MP calls
Button calls

Pot: $60
Flop: JT9hhx

UTG leads for $40
I raise to $145
MP tanks for 5 minutes, and eventually calls
Button Calls AI for about $125 effective

Turn: 3d

Hero??


If anything I would criticize myself for calling pre with A8hh, but given how passive and limpy this table was I felt the call was ok, and with just so much equity on the flop I really couldn't see myself folding on any street. Was there a better way to approach this hand preflop or any street? Again fairly new to playing semi-recreational and want to learn as much as possible. Thanks for any input!

Last edited by Garick; 12-04-2017 at 08:55 PM. Reason: removed results
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:31 PM   #2
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

At this stack depth, fold pre. We're outkicked with TP too often & are OOP in frequent LLSNL multi-way pots.

Flop plays better as a call. We're not deep & there's potential to stack 3 people, so why fold out the other guys? Also, they might have flopped strong.
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Old 12-04-2017, 08:58 PM   #3
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Welcome to the forum, OP. Please don't post results, at it biases advice. I edited them out. Please just get up to your last decision point and put "Hero: ?" there. Then leave the results out until the discussion dies down in a day or two.

It would also help us if you told us more about your Vs. Generally speaking, though, A8s is not a good hand to call a raise pre with unless you are in position and there are several callers in front of you.

Also, give passive Vs, I'd be looking to just call the flop and look to overflush someone, which is big money in LLSNL. I would not be excited about a straight or an ace on this board.

PS: I moved your winrate question to the winrates thread and re-opened it.
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:04 PM   #4
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Thanks Garick! Will apply rules for the next post and thanks for the advice!
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Old 12-04-2017, 09:36 PM   #5
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Fold preflop. A8s is almost always a fold from EP after a raise. Flop raise is overly aggressive. You have an OESD and nut flush draw but it's a good board for somebody to be drawing to or already have a better straight.

On the turn the pot is so bloated it doesn't make a huge difference. Your calling if MP shoves but you probably need to hit your flush to win and likely have no FE so checking seems slightly better.
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Old 12-04-2017, 10:33 PM   #6
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Obvs this is just imo, but calling a raise with Axs is OK if: you are in LP, you will have a multiway pot, you're not likely to see someone left to act 3bet, and stacks are deep enough to justify the call (or overlimp).

You don't really know if any of this will apply, so I woulda folded pre.

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Old 12-04-2017, 10:36 PM   #7
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

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At this stack depth, fold pre. We're outkicked with TP too often & are OOP in frequent LLSNL multi-way pots.

Flop plays better as a call. We're not deep & there's potential to stack 3 people, so why fold out the other guys? Also, they might have flopped strong.
This.

A good semibluff needs fold equity and this flop just smashes everyone. PF raiser can have nut straight or sets. We have decent equity, nut outs and calling is certainly preferable on this flop given action.
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Old 12-05-2017, 12:19 PM   #8
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Re: A8 Suited Against 3 Opponents

Way too early to be calling an UTG raise even if we happened to know the world is coming along behind us (which we don't) due to being dominated and having horrible absolute and relative position postflop. Trivial fold for me preflop.

One of the reasons to raise the flop is to add FE to our good hand equity. Against an UTG raise who is still cbetting 4ways, this flop smashes him and we're unlikely to get folds from a large part of his range (KQ/QQ/JJ/TT/99). Really the only part of his range we're putting to the test is AA (no draw) and KK (which has a gutshot), assuming AK probably doesn't cbet here a lot. This board could also smash the people behind us too, so again I'm not convinced we have great FE. So I probably lean to just taking my odds and calling and hope others pad the pot behind us.

Next time post pot size / remaining stacks on turn. I'm assuming raiser folded? Anyhoo, bulk of pot is protected and I doubt MP is going anywheres anyways with his flop call in a pot this big. I check and hope for a free card. If he shoves it'll be a simple math question as to whether we have the odds to call.

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