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A7o, on BTN Against REALLY loose LAG A7o, on BTN Against REALLY loose LAG

02-17-2014 , 12:59 PM
This hand happened an hour ago at 3pm local time, 4 tables going on a quiet Monday.

£1/1, 250 buy in max, 8 handed.


Villain (£350) - Slightly overweight mid 40s Indian man with 2 diamond rings, he said he is a clothing trader and was on the phone doing business. He sat down with £300 (I pointed it out that he had more than £250 but dealer did nothing). During the session he had blind raised UTG 2 /3 times, followed by blind bet on flop + turn before looking at his cards on river and win. He talked about a 6 cards Omaha pot that he lost worth $1,700 on PS, and saying things like hold'em is boring and kept raising 10 bb+ on BB when there were only limpers.

We have had a few hands head up before this hand, He won 4 out of 5 by ignoring the odds, calling all my raises and hit all his draws. The last head up before this hand I went all in with overpair to the board on turn and he called with his flush draw then missed = Doubling me up.

Hero (£120) - Chinese dude with thick vintage glasses, TAG leaning toward nit, will bet hard when my hand is good and know when he is beat and folded correctly with marginal hands when pot get large so far in this session.

Hero dealt A 7

HJ limped , CO called, Hero (BTN) called, SB checked, Villain (BB) raised to £10, HJ folded, CO folded.

Pot is now £14.

Folding was out of the question, I felt at best he had a small pocket. How much should I raise? And what to do if he 4-bet?
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02-17-2014 , 01:12 PM
At best he has AA. Even maniacs pick up real hands.

If you want to flip for stacks, that's fine, flip for stacks. However, if you were playing with 60BB previously, my guess is the variance is going to knock you out of this game shortly unless you're lucky.
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02-17-2014 , 01:17 PM
Thats true about the possibility that he had a hand dominates mine, I thought variance was at work, as I had 250bb when he sat down, then watching him knocked 140bb out of me by calling with little odd.

So even calling is not an option here?
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02-17-2014 , 01:22 PM
A-rags offsuit is one of the hands i fold the fastest in cash games. Thats pretty much all i have to say about this topic. That kind of hand its reverse implied odds all the way and its pretty much a disaster in cash games.

If you want to go to war with him: at least choose a hand that plays much better postflop or multiway than A-7 off. That hand is garbage and should be an instamuck in my mind,even if you believe you are in front.
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02-17-2014 , 01:42 PM
I think I got what I need. Fold the thread.
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02-17-2014 , 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Gilmour
A-rags offsuit is one of the hands i fold the fastest in cash games. Thats pretty much all i have to say about this topic. That kind of hand its reverse implied odds all the way and its pretty much a disaster in cash games.

If you want to go to war with him: at least choose a hand that plays much better postflop or multiway than A-7 off. That hand is garbage and should be an instamuck in my mind,even if you believe you are in front.
I think raising Ax on the button PF should be standard at a tight passive or even loose passive table.
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02-17-2014 , 01:47 PM
Better to raise first time round perhaps? Depends on how the two limpers play. Is this at aspers?

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02-17-2014 , 02:04 PM
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Better to raise first time round perhaps? Depends on how the two limpers play. Is this at aspers?

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Yeah it was at Aspers (Were you on my table?), perhaps I should raise, but why would I do it if Villain would 99.99% raise anyway?
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02-17-2014 , 02:16 PM
No, but the blind and buy in fits, so it's good guess!. If you raise what do you think his reraising range is? You get isolated with him with position. Are you ahead? What's your plan if you miss flop and he bets? Can you call down with ace high? Depends how crazy he is. I've see people stick 100 in blind pre flop there.

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02-17-2014 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Hickok
No, but the blind and buy in fits, so it's good guess!. If you raise what do you think his reraising range is? You get isolated with him with position. Are you ahead? What's your plan if you miss flop and he bets? Can you call down with ace high? Depends how crazy he is. I've see people stick 100 in blind pre flop there.

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I think his 5bet range would TT+, AKs and maybe AQs and a lot of air. I thought he was crazy enough to call a 4bet with 22+, QJo+, SC hands down 45, 1 gapper down to 68 and 2 gappers down to T7s pre-flop.

I was happy to fold if I completely miss the flop, because if he bet it would have been a jam.
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02-17-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Vinyl_Pimp
Yeah it was at Aspers (Were you on my table?), perhaps I should raise, but why would I do it if Villain would 99.99% raise anyway?
You're saying he's 3betting w/ ATC? If he's 3betting with about ATC I dont' see what's wrong with a 4bet shove. Against his range you're looking pretty good and he sounds like the type of drooler to call it offer w/ 45s because ZOMG ZOOOTED KINECTORZZZ
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02-17-2014 , 02:51 PM
Call and evaluate flop then as you have position and should be able to out play him. Interested in what others think and results.

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02-17-2014 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by brojaysimpson
You're saying he's 3betting w/ ATC? If he's 3betting with about ATC I dont' see what's wrong with a 4bet shove. Against his range you're looking pretty good and he sounds like the type of drooler to call it offer w/ 45s because ZOMG ZOOOTED KINECTORZZZ

He raised Pf, flop and turn couple of times without even looking at his cards, wouldn't you say he would 3bet ATC?

Spoiler:
I shoved, SB folded, V called with TT, I luckily flopped an Ace and took the pot down. I felt he was going to fold more than 80% there and if he did call I would have at least 30% equity.

Last edited by Vinyl_Pimp; 02-17-2014 at 03:12 PM.
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02-17-2014 , 03:33 PM
Your not deep enough to call this imo. You really should top off your stack.

As played, I would 3 bet to $50 gii, if he just calls cbet shove $70 all flops.
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