Ep limps, loose passive (300)players that usually limps behind raises to 20, bu (covers) calls, h (380) from bb calls, ep calls.

loose passive usually has a stronger range when he opens, other wise he plays like a loose passive fish

Bu (main villain) is loose and has average aggression when betting. He's capable of open raising or iso'ing stuff like QJo, cbet flop and often play straight forward turn/river.

H has a clean image.

F (80): AJ7 checks around (H was fully intending on x/f if PFR bet and x/deciding if anyone else bet)

T (80) 2 H x, ep x PFR 45, bu 45, H raises to 110 to deny equity/take the hand down. I think PFR/bu bets any ace when checked to, 45 from PFR seems stabby, and call from bu seems like a draw. I think I messed up on the turn raise size, I thought it should be more like 140-180. Thoughts on turn raise and/or leading? Which is better?

Fold pre, I x/f turn. Hard to fold people out at this stack size IMO, but w/e could work.

Really just fold pre though.

Agree with WereBeer. When a loose passive raises, their range is pretty tight and strong. A5 just isn't going to do well against his range and you aren't deep enough to look to hit 2 pair or better. On the flop, you essentially have TP, no kicker. The turn doesn't help you, but with two people interested in the pot, one of them likely beats you. The raise is spew. If you wanted to stab at the pot, betting out would be better but the best play is x/f.

Fold or 3-bet pre, but really just fold. Hands that flop draws play way better in position as you are 100 times more likely to get a free cards or have bluffing opportunities. I would rather call this hand OTB than the BB. The $3 discount doesn't even come close to making up for your positional disadvantage.

Even here on the turn, you find yourself in a slightly ahead/way behind spot and are playing the guessing game. Your weak top pair might be good, but your opponents are going to play nearly perfect against you. If you're up against a stronger ace or better, you are drawing close to dead. If it's draws, you're not sure which cards to fade, and can end up owning yourself on the river.

You're right that if you are going to make this move your bet size is way off. You're not denying any equity because flush draws have enough equity to call, and any worse hands are drawing pretty thin. The raise is pure spew though. Just fold.

sort of loose pre

I think hes ahead now though TBH.

BU is likely on a FD.

LP probably has KK or QQ (6 checks he could definitely think these are good, especially with only a half pot bet)

I think he should have just bet the turn, but of course thats the arguement for folding pre

Why call pre if you plan to check fold one of the better flops for you? If you are playing this hand to make 2 pair or better just fold pre. The problem with calling pre is we won’t be able to realize a lot of our equity when an A hits the flop as we really can’t x/c more than one street

Only going 3way guaranteed and 4way at the absolute most plus OOP and not a great price, I would lean towards a fold preflop.

Totally cool with our flop plan.

With $190 in the pot and stacks of just $235 and $315 left, I'm guessing if we're raising it's mostly just a shove. This is one of the problems with playing small SPR multiway pots with speculative hands when we end up with only a weak TP, where we'll run into commitment issues immediately, but if we're cool with committing here (which given action and reads we may be) then I think I'm ok with doing so.

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Just ck-overcall turn AP. Neither of these guys are bluffing rivers and there is a good chance it just checks through and TP wins. There is nothing wrong with calling the best hand and closing action on the street.

Pre is a fold when you know the guy is raising a nutted range. There are a lot of better calls.

Agree that I probably should lead if I want to stab at this pot after flop checks around. In retrospect that's likely better than x/r and is lesser variance line. The turn also doesn't help anyone else unless they had 22 specfically, loose passive is never raising 22.


When the flop checks around both loose passive/button have denied any Ax out of their range, I'm 90% sure I have the only ace in the hand resuting in me raising... as I mentioned in the OP, the raise size is just off, way off. But, good point about not really knowing which river cards to fade. I did not consider that at the table, but it should've been when going for a x/r

Who is ahead now? loose passive that raised pre and checked flop with 1 player left to act?

Lp can't have TT+, he has decent enough aggression that he'll 3b to iso loose passive.


I agree that I won't realize my equity enough in this spot, it's totally a exploitable and I'm ok with it given the game I play in. I have the flop had 1 spade i'd x/c, on this flop x/c is not an option for me.

x/shove is probably best if i am x/r

I agree that this hand is a fold like 90% of the time, however, given the table dynamics and my read on loose passive I chose an exploitive strat. If loose passive bets when H and ep checks, we fold since he's not betting w/o and Ax, JJ.

Thanks for all the input, I specifically wanted input on turn action. Is leading better than x/r here? If we lead and say the bu calls what's our play on a diamond or club river?

If you check/shoved the turn, I think I'm ok with your postflop line. Donking turn kinda turns our hand face upish multiway, it also prevents us from seeing what EP does (important as it could easily affect our decision as he could be sandbagging the flop), plus checking let's the raiser and Button make mistakes of putting in money when ~dead / drawing and sacrificing all their equity when we shove. There's a crapload of river cards and OOP river decisions we'll hate. It'll likely be high variance due to the times we run into an unexpectedly played hand, but I think your hand reading thoughts on the turn are reasonable.

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