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02-13-2014 , 10:56 AM
At this table for about 6 hours, showing down winners, and several people have verbally said "I'm afraid to play against you" once I've called their bets/got involved because I've either blown them off their hand or showed down a nutty hand.

Hero (BB): Mid 20s, winning TAG image ($600 in front of me).

Villian (CO): $350, mid 20s, one of the players who I've been crushing. He's not really good, but is thinking enough to tell me "nice call" when I made a semi-hero call with T9 on a super wet 9-high board when some guy over-shoved on the river when I checked to him after I had bet all previous streets.

UTG weak/tight player opens to $12 and gets 4 callers. I'm in the BB with A4 and call. There are several callers that get married to top pair so I figured if I flop something good I can value own them.

Flop ($61): KQT

I check. UTG player hilariously bets $15 and 2 people call, and LP Villian in the CO raises to $30. I call, UTG folds, and MP short stack just calls.

Turn ($181): 5

3-way, I check, MP short stack checks, CO bets $60.

Hero?
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02-13-2014 , 11:03 AM
Raise to 200 at this point. Just calling lets V's see river relatively cheap if they are drawing to a FH. Plus checking isn't disguising your had to well since when you come out firing it will still be clear your flush got there. Plus shortstack V will pretty much be all in if you raise and it will set up the CO V to be all in by the river if you put in a raise here. Doesn't have to be too big of a raise as the pot is 180 he bet 60 and he should only have about 245 or so behind
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02-13-2014 , 11:31 AM
Lead out turn ~120. now raise to ~180.
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02-13-2014 , 11:35 AM
Bet turn here for $90. When you flat call this flop your range is hugely flush draws anyway, there is no point in checking turn and you don't want somebody with a set or two pair to check behind.

As played, raise to $150 but don't be surprised of villains fold. The $60 bet looks designed to get you to act more then anything, but you still don't want to let either villain get to river cheaply with two pair+ and your not making any more money from weak hands at that point.
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02-13-2014 , 12:12 PM
Raise to $180 or just jam. Our hand is face up but it likely doesn't matter.
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02-13-2014 , 12:19 PM
Yeah, I'd make the raise everyone expects a flush to make. Give them a chance to be heroes. If players turbo-fold then make a note about this being a good spot to semibluff (with the dry ace) in the future.
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02-13-2014 , 12:30 PM
no, no, no. Don't donk the turn. You did the right think checking.

There was plenty of action on the flop, and we went with the flow. Once someone bets this turn, they are going to feel committed. People don't b/f the turn very often at all.

Now raise to $160. Make him feel like he has to call.

Obviously shove river.
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02-13-2014 , 12:38 PM
not a fan of leading turn. I like x/r to 150.
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02-13-2014 , 01:19 PM
How much money does the short stack have?

CO only has ~$250 left if my maths are close. I'm pretty sure you can just call, bring the shorty along and then bet 2/3 pot OTR to get CO's stack. I'm not a huge fan of c/r the nuts when the nuts are so obvious.
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02-13-2014 , 01:33 PM
If CO is one of the guys you've been crushing, I'm thinking there's a really good chance he's sitting on a smaller flush if he's making that raise on the flop and then betting out the turn with the potential flush on board. Otherwise, wouldn't you expect him to be gun shy about the flush on board with 2 others (including you) in the hand?

I'd go ahead and make a sizable raise on the turn and then that way if he has a smaller flush he's committed anyway and you'll get his stack. Sure, maybe it pushes out a set or 2 pair or possibly even a straight from the short stack, but at least then you either eliminate that chance of losing or make him pay it all to see if he gets the lucky FH on the river.
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02-13-2014 , 01:41 PM
x/r or donk the flop

i love donking here 70% pot bc it can potentially build a huge pot, especially if it goes cal, ccall, call, raise which then allows you to 3b the flop and get it in

but as played with nit opening utg i would check, see his weak bet and then x/r the field to 140 all day as a semibluff

as played im putting him on a set, straight or top2
maybe QJ KJ with a club as well, i dont think a flush, therefore i call and lead out river and hope he thiks your bluffing

regardless, i woudve built the pot on the flop with you rmassiz hand (equity wise)
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02-13-2014 , 01:46 PM
Dude its simple..if u want to get stacks in by the rvr you need to raise the turn... U can get more $ in the pot by cr this turn so size it so tht your rvr shove is small in comparison to the pot...
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02-13-2014 , 06:43 PM
You could still jam River without raising turn. No one knows pot size live and I wouldn't give anyone credit for being able to fold any hand they'd raise flop and bet turn without a read.
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