NWI NL 1/2 Majestic Star
Hero is in a wild game in his second hour. Stack $450 after winning two hands. Image is TAG at this table. In the Big Blind I get A4
UGT+1 is a 60 yo obese WG who is a bad loser. He doesn't berate losing players but hems and haws. He's weak tight but no OMC. He shows down lame hands no OMC would call bets with and then gets cross about "rivers." Hero has spoken to him 25 times over 2 years. This fellow does not recognize Hero nor know much about him. He limps for 2 here. He's at $500 and been there for about 18 hours. I don't know how much he's in for. He wouldn't give a coherent answer if i asked.
It folds to Cutoff who raises to $10. Cutoff is a 30 BG. I don't know him. This is his first rotation. He's got $62 bucks and bought in for 50.
Button and SB fold. Hero calls the 10, so does UTG+1.
Pot $31.
Flop 35Q
Hero has nut flush draw here, but does not read board before checking. I have four outs on the 2 that I, frankly, did not process before checking. Had I realized this I would have bet $20. Should I have bet anyway on the come?
UTG+1 Bets 15. Cutoff reraises all in for $52.
Hero???????????????

Call. You have the nut-draw so you want UTG1 to continue as well.

Pretty dreamlike scenario outside of having a made hand and not having position. Call and check all turns.

Twelve outs twice (assuming the other 3 aces are not real outs) make us about 48% on the flop. We are putting into the pot less than 48%.

Short stack raises are often less than the nuts, sometimes much less. If our other Villain knows that too, or doesn't much care, let him in by flatting.

We pretty much need to improve to win, if we do improve we pretty much will have the winner, the more the merrier.

If we didn't hit either the flush or the straight, then THAT is the problem. Run better!

That's what I did. I think I f***ed up turn which was a 4 of spades giving me a pair. I checked and the UTG+1 checked back. I think I should have shoved there in hindsight because he would have folded.

Checking that turn is smart. With V2 already AI, you have to show this down and are probably still behind him. Shoving is likely just going to get you to lose more money when behind and against a big hand and win the same when ahead.

I might have very well considered popping the flop given how strong our draw is though. In this spot I can get onboard with a mix of calls and raises depending on if we think he will pay us when we hit.

Yeah I think you're right. After getting the free turn card my outs are high but my % goes way down. It turned out that he was betting out with 99 with no draws at all on that board. I finished third behind KK. The river bricked out on me, but I wondered if a large bet would have gotten him off the flop and if maybe i made a mistake by not doing so.

Call and lead out for same amount on any turn......

Read him when you do this (is he pissed?)

Fine if he raises turn......especially of course if you hit it.

Sorry............forgot villain could still pop the 52......

But again - I'd let him.

I don't like the pre flop call. Either fold or 3b.

If shorty had a real stack, I'm on board (though I'd still consider a 3b), but with a short stack, the flop play can become awkward.

* Shorty is reasonably likely to jam the flop, putting 52 into 30, which isn't a bet we're going to love calling unless we really flop big. We won't be getting the odds to call with just a flush draw, even if we're guaranteed to see two cards.

* We're OOP and in bad relative position to PFR.

* Shorty will be sitting over V1 with an threatened all-in, so V1 is somewhat more likely to fold to flop action. That's nice, except that shorty is less likely to fold because he's short. So we're less able to steal and less able to get value from V1.

* If shorty does jam, even if we can continue, the pot will be protected and any bet we make will look strong. That will help V1 find some more folds, hurting our IO if we do hit something postflop.

Individually, these are small negatives, but A4s isn't starting out with a huge head of steam and taken together the downsides move a hand like A4s into the fold column (or raise if we think PFR is light and will fold often enough to a 3b).

A4s has good equity against shorty's jamming range range (almost always 25 - 30%), so I think a 3b is attractive.

If we have a good handle on V1, we can consider raising to about 30 so shorty's jam reopens. If V1 comes over the top of our raise, we can exit with a smaller loss. If he'll call our raise and then fold when we 4b over shorty, that's nice. If we're not sure what V1's flat would mean (so we'll feels sandwiched between shorty and V1 when shorty jams) just raise enough so that shorty doesn't reopen, 33+.

very good advice, thanks man