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A4 suited facing a particularly aggro villain A4 suited facing a particularly aggro villain

09-12-2017 , 01:12 PM
Hero is in the small blind with Ad4d. Villain is in the hijack, has been opening pre about 60% of his hands to $10 or higher, based on the number of limps. Seems to play pretty well post flop, has showed up with the goods and huge bluffs as well. We've played several sessions with villain and know him to be pretty competent, if a bit spewy at times. Hero has a $450 stack, villain is sitting on $400

UTG and UTG+2 limp in.
Villain opens to $18, action folded to hero.
Hero raises to $50.
UTG folds.
UTG+2 folds.
Villain calls.

Here I felt that A4 suited was too strong a hand to fold, particularly because of villain's opening range. I decided to 3bet here because my hand doesn't play particularly well OOP and I'd rather take it down pre.

Flop: 3dKsTd Pot: $104

Hero checks.
Villain checks.

I checked here with the intention of check/raising. Villain rarely checks back, particularly on a board that should smash his 3bet call range.

Turn: 2c Pot: $104

Hero bets $65.
Villain calls.

On the turn we get a little more equity via a straight draw. I bet here mostly to set the pot up for a jam on the river. Villain does tank for awhile before calling. At this point I assume he has some random KdXd hands that are pretty far ahead and not afraid to call a bet on a perceived blank like an offsuit deuce.

That doesn't really explain the flop check back though, unless he was really afraid of aces or perhaps just a bigger King.

River: 8d Pot: $234

Hero checks.
Villain jams.
Hero calls.

So obviously one of the best possible cards for us and we take it down.

Just kind of curious if you guys approve of my line, the only thing I feel off about is the river check, but I also think it was fine given the villain in this hand.
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09-12-2017 , 01:27 PM
3bet pre is good. Maybe a tad bigger.

Bet the flop. You're the aggressor and have lots of good turn cards.

AP turn bet is good.

Bet the river when you hit FFS.

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09-12-2017 , 01:28 PM
I like 3bet restealing w/ A4s vs villains that'll likely fold & based on description, it doesn't sound like it. I've found that in this scenario, it's much better to just flat. If I have to play OOP, I'd rather play multiway with a hand that can make nut flushes and wheels. You say that A4s is too strong, but I'd say not at all. Get out your equity calc and plug in A4s vs a 60% open range. We're actually just a 55% favorite. That's great if we're IP, but OOP, how much of that 55% will we actually realize? The flops that are good for us, outside of the ~5% we flop 2p+, are those with paint or low numbers, which come ~21% of the time & even half of those will be just gutters. Even an A high flop could get us value owned.

If we flat and go multi-way, there are more implied odds to pad all of those draws.

Anyways, OTTF, we gotta lead this almost always. We're the pf aggressor remember... do you actually think V will bet often enough that we can get away w/ a c/r? Also, the SPR is like 3.4. If 2bets go in OTF we're essentially committed w/ maybe ~41% equity.

Not sure why bet turn to check river. I think we got really lucky that V bet. Checking the river is just missing value IMO.
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09-12-2017 , 01:30 PM
Against this particular villain I was pretty confident he would jam if he hit his flush, and that I might scare him away if I appeared to not care about it coming in.

In retrospect, I should have bet, because if he had it he likely would have jammed anyways.
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09-12-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer

Anyways, OTTF, we gotta lead this almost always. We're the pf aggressor remember... do you actually think V will bet often enough that we can get away w/ a c/r?
I really do. He hasn't been the type to let a flop go unbet almost ever, so I was pretty confident that he wasn't going to check it back.
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09-12-2017 , 01:40 PM
I feel like I'd call pre here, don't like raising A4 suited OOP. As played I'd have bet on flop, again on turn and especially river after hitting the flush.
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09-12-2017 , 01:56 PM
is this a 1/3 game? or 1/2?

gotta 3bet bigger. if its 1/2, his sizing is pretty big. does he have a sizing tell? if he does, then we might be better off just folding this hand, but i do like 3b bluffing this described villain with this hand.

flop can go either way, but if we check flop i prefer to also check turn. i think i prefer a bet on the flop given AK is a hand many will perceive us to have. if it was like JT4dd instead, then i might prefer checking. also with backdoor straight cards, we just have a lot of great turn cards.

but if we check flop i prefer to check turn as well.

when we bet turn i kind of prefer to just bet river ourselves. it obviously worked out for us here, but i mean i think river checks through a lot and that would just be really, really bad for us.
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09-12-2017 , 02:25 PM
It was a 1/3 game. I probably should have gone a little bigger, but at the time it seemed like the right number. $60 would have been better.

I do think the river check was bad and probably wouldn't have done it against anyone but this particular villain. Even then, he would have jammed over a bet, I'm pretty sure, so bad play all around.
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09-12-2017 , 03:20 PM
good spot for a 3bet preflop, but only if villain actually folds against 3bets. if he continues with most of his range, you are not really pushing an equity edge with A4s, and the hand plays pretty poorly postflop with shallow stacks.
so if he has does have a fold button, 3betting is good, if he defends against 3bets, just exploit him by picking a valueheavy range which crushes his way too loose opening range, like QJs+, AT+, 88+. in any way, +1 to 3betting larger, as a general way to do it, make it slightly larger than a potsizeraise oop when 3betting. potsizeraise would be 64.

anyways, bet flop imo. you say he plays postflop pretty well, so that should imply that he has some reasoning behind his action and won´t just bet blindly once checked to. your read suggest otherwise though, if he really massively overbluffs once checked to, fine.

turn bet is good. I don´t like that you immediately range him on Kdxd although you likely were correct this time, but there are a lot of other hands in his range he plays that way.

you basically put him on his exact hand and acted accordingly with your river action, but overall, you are missing value by checking in this spot.
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09-12-2017 , 03:37 PM
Perfect 3! Bluff hand....only if villan actually folds to a 3!.... I would want him to be folding at to a3! Before I start 3! Bluffing.
Bet/jam flop
Bet/jam turn
Jam river....
Villan could so easily have a blank k on the river here that checks back and we lose a tonne of value...
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