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06-30-2019 , 07:27 AM
NL 1/2
Just wanted to check something with you. Hero is in another goofy Saturday night game. Very gambly. Hero is in the BB with A3. Hero is happy to get to play a hand. Mostly been card dead. Hero is mostly among strangers with a terrible table image. Been there 2 hours, lost the few hands I could play. Ex, shoved preflop against wild player with 10/10, got called lost to J7off. At $210 now, but in for $400. Hero did very well TH and FRI so trying to keep perspective.
UTG+1 raises to 25 in 3 buck pot. Hero thinks he'll fold but
MP calls, Cutoff calls, Button calls, and SB calls.
So now Hero has to call 23 for 128.
Hero called and figured he had odds. Is this a mistake? Is this a leak in my game?
I do this with suited aces (never suited junk or even K or Q junk). I do this because I know I can--theoretically--make the nuts in a bloated pot. What do you think? I appreciate all feedback.
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06-30-2019 , 10:06 AM
Fold pre.

It's not about immediate odds. You obviously don't have those, as you'll only flop a flush under 1% of the time.

You're playing for implied odds, but here's the thing. You'll only flop a FD 11% of the time, and that's assuming no one else has one. If you're looking to make flush over flush, you'll only have 7 flush cards in the deck, so it will happen even less often. As that is really the only way to get stacks in OOP with the nut flush, you need HUGE implied odds to call here. You don't have them.

Very deep, facing a small raise, and in position, sure, call with that cheese. In these conditions, fold, and it's not even close.

Last edited by Garick; 06-30-2019 at 10:34 AM. Reason: typo
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06-30-2019 , 10:22 AM
Agree with the above ^

To add, and I mean this in the nicest way, I think that a big thing that would improve your thought patterns is to not make statements like "I did well yesterday, and the day before, but now..." "Hero is happy to play a hand." "Lost the few hands I could play." ETC. These types of statements take you away from analyzing the game and your play from a birds eye perspective. Maybe there was a hand you could play but since you're stuck now you folded it, fearing having to be in for 3 buyins or walk away from a good game?

This hand is a great example of this, as it seems like you made this call mostly because you were card dead and it presented the opportunity to get unstuck for $23.

Try to think about it as one big, long session. Poker does not know how long you are playing, or when you are playing. You are either playing poker or you're not. Thus, you never stop playing.

I speak from experience in this matter. Good luck.
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06-30-2019 , 11:40 AM
Actually, I do make calls like these all the time (not usually for that much) but it could explain a major leak in my game. I never really considered it was an obviously wrong to do. Thanks Garrick for mentioning those percentages as well. As it turned out the flop was all black and i had to fold to a shove which got me thinking about it. Great points here, thanks.
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06-30-2019 , 11:55 AM
Yeah, I consider suited ace-small to be approx equivalent to SCs in terms of IOs required. I need to be looking at the chance to win ~25x my investment to play them as a call (raising with them is different).

Here you only have IOs of about 13x (given the 5.4x in the pot and assuming you rarely get more than one V to GII with you post when you hit) and are OOP to boot. Easy fold.

On the other hand, if he'd opened to 10 and we were OTB, even not knowing if the blinds would call, we'd be looking at 3x direct odds, and 20x IOs. With 23x available and having position and also likely getting a call from at least one of the blinds, I could make a call here. Depending on the players involved, I might also consider a 3! though.
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