3/5 9 handed

Villain is mid 30s asian guy. Seems solid. He just flopped flush AQs on kj9 flop, lost to boat on river. Might be steaming a bit. I might have played with him once before. Probably is staying out of hero's way for the most part.

Effective stacks about 280 to start hand.

Villain limps utg, 2 or 3 more limps, I limp on btn with a2o. Is this OK? Or fold pre?

Sb calls, bb checks.

Flop (30) aq2 rainbow.

Check to villain, who bets 20. I call. Sb, a black woman calls. She plays pretty face up and passively.

Turn (90) 8 clubs, putting flush draw up. Sb checks, villain bets 55. He has about 193 behind.

I...?

Any and all criticisms welcome.

Don't limp A2o, iso or fold. I don't really hate any options, I'm probably folding.

FWIW your villain aint solid, he's limping UTG.

Calling flop is fine, simply because I don't think he has strong enough Ax to call a raise and we can extract value on turn and rivers.

I put flat turn and let our fish come along with gutshots. I'm now in call/call/call mode.

If you want, you can make it like $120 and call if raised. Then ship rivers. Since he's steaming, I probably take the later line and raise him.

Really should not be here though with A2 in a limped pot.

One limp UTG != bad villain. Chill out, Doch.

Limping is totally fine/standard on button here. Just have to lose min when flop top pair and maximize when you hit two pair+.

I like calling flop and raising turn now to 3.5x.

I don't think limping A2o on the BTN is standard.

And yeah, I most likely don't think you're very good if you limp UTG. There are exceptions, but usually it holds true, they are not.

Pay attention to people who limp UTG, more often than not, are they not very bad players>?

Yeah if they do it habitually. We have sample n=1. Way too early to extrapolate.

More often than not, the player pool at LLSNL are bad players. Exploiting them can require unorthodoxy.

Why should we raise turn?? Any sensible player is folding Ax to our turn raise, and there's AQ/A8 out there that beats us. Infact the $55 bet into 2 players in a limped pot looks exactly like a hand that beats us.

I'm very fine with labeling a guy I don't know as a weaker player when they limp UTG their first time.

I may change my opinion as the game goes on, but, rarely does a guy like that turn into something other than my original thinking. I believe it's totally fine to treat people exactly how they are perceived early on.

We should be playing them cautiously as we would with most unknowns when facing heats, etc....

I still don't think you have any argument for limping A2o.

If, you think he's actually solid and not a weak steaming player, raising would be awful on turn But I'm ok with it as played.

I probably still flat in game, but really going to depend on the vibe I get from the player.

He needs to be really steaming for it to be a value raise. A lot of Ax hands is what you need.

I hate limping OTB with garbage like A2o.

As played, I'm calling it down and betting maybe half pot or less on river if checked to. No point in raising, we should be folding out all the weak limping aces. Might even get called by QJ type hands if we smell weakness and size it small.

Fold pre. A2o is a trash hand.

Fold pre. I'd raise a couple limpers who play passively and straight forward. Not 4 limpers. I probably min-click raise the flop to make sure stacks get in. Villain probably has an ace here and won't fold.

As played, call/call then gii on the river is fine.

OK it looks like the majority says fold pre. I guess this is a leak in my game is limping too widely on button.

Ap, I raise 100 more. He went all in for 93 more. Sigh call obviously.

He had pocket aces.

Looking back, it should have been a call and reevaluate the river. He can't really have any draws so his betting into two players twice is strong.

Lesson learned.

I think pre should almost always be a fold unless limpers are types to limp/fold pretty frequently to a raise. I think fold > raise > call.

Flop I like call.

Turn I'm also leaning towards just call. We want to give sb as much reason as possible to put more money in with Ax, and since we have position we will be able to value bet river if checked to.


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I think PF is an easy raise unless your game is super loose and you don't have much fold equity. Then I'd just fold. Limping is the worst option and probably a sign you're too loose/passive. Bad players limp with it all the time.

Whether to raise the turn obviously depends on how you think villains will respond to it. If villain has been giving you too much respect then I'd just call and try to get more value on the river. But if villain is giving you respect then I think that's another argument for raising PF.

Edit: On second thought folding PF is better than I suggested if you're not confident that you will play A2o well.