Hero ($235): Guy in his late 30's wearing a hoodie and sunglasses.

Villain ($150ish): Guy in his 30's, possibly early 40's wearing hoodie and hat. No read as the table just opened up less than one orbit ago.

Limps around to me. I raise to 17 in CO w/ AT.
Folds around to MP who calls.

Flop ($40): J43.
Villain checks, Hero c-bets 22, Villain calls.

Turn ($84): T.
Villain checks, Hero bets 28, Villain calls.

River ($140): 9.
Villain bets 52 with only about 50 left behind.

What do you do? Mind you this is a new table w/ no read on villain.
Was making a c-bet OTF and firing a second bullet OTT when I hit a pair the right move(s)?

C-Bet could be smaller and the turn bet could be bigger, imo.

I don't see why on earth you would bet river for value. Which poopy pants hand do you think villain has that he calls 3 barrels with here, that you beat?

How many limps pre before you raised? I assume this is 1/2?

Fine on the flop. Check the turn. You have showdown value. I don't think you get value from worse. You have to fold if you get raised.

Fold the river. The 9h completes every backdoor draw. Villain called two streets on a dry board and now bets the river. Your second pair isn't good.

The flop c-bet is OK. On the turn you should probably check. You don't have a big hand but it's ahead of at least some of villain's range. At that point you want to get to a cheap show down and see if villain has JX or not. This is compounded by villain's stack size, any substantial bet now commits both of you to the pot. As played the river is a fold, your getting close to 3:1 on your money but the bet really looks like a suck bet and after you turn bet his coming out firing is strong.

The biggest mistake here is probably preflop though. ATs isn't a strong hand and after you make the big squeeze bet SPR is going to be small on the flop. Without some read on the table and players so you have a better idea where you stand post flop, I would rather limp or fold preflop.

Im folding to this river lead. Pay attention to leads/donk bets they are ALWAYS UNBALANCED. So exploit opp. unbalanced leading ranges by over-folding or calling/raising more depends on his tendencies and what his other ranges look like.

I expect to see something like J9, KQ, or a flush (combo draw he picked up OTT where he has a mid pair + FD). This lead is nuts or bluff obviously weakest hand he is betting for value is prolly J9, does he lead this river with bluffs here (very unlikely he has to have gotten to the river with bluffs).

Our value range is prolly a lot of Jx and some 2 pairs that won't fire again maybe.

I like a x OTT much better no point in betting unless we think he has a very wide FCR and wide TCR as well. We can play well on a lot of rivers as well once we x the turn, which is prolly why i check the turn because of this point as the T prolly hits our range slightly better then his so i can see betting being a merit too.

im folding also.

we don't need any reads to know second pair is a mile behind. even from a guy in his 40's wearing a hoodie one of my pet peeves in poker (old men in hoodies)

Check behind on the turn. Reevaluate the river. Probably folding.

pot the flop. he will fold.

as played, fold fold fold fold. 1/3 pot value bets on the river are going to beat your one pair more than 25% of the time.

there is one sentence in this post that is valid. the rest of it you can ignore. guess which sentence?

Pre is fine.

Flop is fine, and I like your sizing. Anywhere from 20-25 looks good. I'd bet 20.

Check the turn. That said, it's not horrible. Maybe you get some value from A2, A5, 65. But I think a check is better and that you're probably not making a +EV bet on the turn.

Eh probably fold the river even though you're getting almost 4:1. It's a weird spot, but I think we're looking at a backdoor flush, something like a backdoor KQ straight coming in, and maybe sometimes two pair.

That said, it can't be a big mistake to call getting 4:1. There are some whiffed draws.

But this just looks too much like a value hand.

I like hoodies!!!!!

Don't care what some 20 year old punk thinks. I got hot wife and get more action. Than you can ever dream of!!!!
A10 is very strong hand. Opening to $17 seems bit excessive in a fresh game.
What hands will fold when we pot flop. Compared to $25 bet?

IMO
Cbet is fine and standard and profitable.
Turn is easiest check behind ever. We can still get value on alot of rivers.

Fold river

OTF dry flop, I like the bet sizing, OTT. Not too much information on V here, but his range look a lot like Jx 56s A2s A5s and maybe 77 88 99. OTT you pick up showdown value against a V who mostly calls you with Jx kind of hands and folds everything worse. Check behind and make a decision OTR.

Pre is okay I think but depends a lot on how the table is playing and how many limpers there are. I actually like limping behind here and stacking two guys on my monsters.

I like flop.

I wouldn't bet turn, I'd go for showdown, if river bricks I call modest bets, not sure if it goes x/x ott, 9h, and V bets more than half pot though, probably fold.

AP its a straightforward fold I think.



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Cbetting this flop is fine its very dry and will often have missed Vs range, and without many draws, you'll often take the pot right there.

Now, OTT, i think you should check after getting called OTF even if you hit your T. Vs calling range contains a lot of Jx, so no value in betting, and youre not getting him to fold any of his Jx on this board.

AP, fold.

I think ATs is mediocre in this situation exactly because your going to have to raise to $15+ in a multiway limped pot at 1/2. I also find AJ/AT treacherous at 1/2 because there are enough super passive villains who limp/call AK/AQ/JJ that catching top pair will make you value own yourself too much.

With a better read on the table I'm fine with raising ATs in most situations. At 1/2 I find it better to play a pretty tight/passive game until I do have some read on the situation.

ATS with position is very good hand. Especially vs tight/passive opponents.

Value owning yourself isn't likely in these spots. Isn't the end of the world either.

You are going to show a huge profit over hands that are limping AQ,AJ, AK Because they will be folding missed flops.

Being suited is a huge advantage in passive games.

Having position, we can control pot. If it goes mutliway vs passive players. We can almost play mistake free. They will almost never put us in tough situation.

F.y.i
Playing tight/passive is not a good way to win. Fit/fold at 1/2 will barely cover rake in most cases. Because that is what everyone is trying to do. You end up missing to much value, especially when OOP. Also fold to many flops, when you limp/call, or flat raises.

Aggresion works at 1/2. Better than any other stake. Just have to learn to use it in right situations.

I like your play PF and also like flop bet sizing.

Turn betsizing seems too small on the turn and river.

Opponent might have smelled weakness.

Tough spot on the river. I call

Note: I'm confused how there is $40 in the pot on the flop. There must of been three limpers before your bet: $2+$2+$2+$17+$1(SB)+$2(BB)+$15(MP call) = $41. You must be counting $1 rake.

PF: Raising is fine, although, I think it's a bit high. Since there were three limpers before your raise I would of raised to $13 or $14.

F (41): SPR is ~3. Board is super dry. I'm fine cbetting here, but we must know that V only has $133 left.

T (85): We bink a Ten, but I don't really see the point in betting. Any normal size bet commits V to the pot. If he has a Jack, he's not folding. I'm checking it here, and hope to check it down becasue we have showdown value. As played we make a weak bet of $28. Not sure what the point of this 1/3P bet is. V has $105 left.

R (141): So V bets $52. All we have is a bluff catcher. We should be folding. Do we really think that this V ran some weird bluff on us with Ace high? No! We are beat, and should fold.

Note: Oh, and we didn't fire a "second bullet" on the turn. A bullet would of been betting something like $50 to $70. We fired a...uhhh...well I'm not sure what it was but it wasn't a "second bullet".

I didn't value bet the river. Villain bet first to put me to the decision. Read the original post.

There were 4 limps pre before it got to me.

I agree with. The point of this situation is that Hero has no idea what sort of table he is playing at yet or if villains are tight/passive. In that sort of situation I have always found it more profitable to play a tight/passive game myself and limp this sort of hand. Once I get a read on the table, raising ATs in LP over limpers is going to be my move in most situations also.

4 limps, we can assume it is a passive table. Actually, we can generally assume this at 1/2, and adjust accordingly as we play.

Again, playing tight/passive is not answer to winning on passive tables.

A-10s plays much better 2-4 handed than 4-6 handed. Tough to use our position in limp fest pots.

I think cbet is fine vmbut id like c turn and call river. As played, id call readless. If hes aplayef who only donks perceived value, id fold