Hero ($220): Mid 20s, playing fairly TAG. New to the table haven't done much or shown anything down yet.

V ($600): 40s asian woman that looks like a man. Ongoing table debate which "it" is. She has been pretty involved in pots but hasn't shown anything down other than AQ on an Ace-high board when she raised to $15 pre. She's bet pretty big on 3 different rivers and I find it hard to believe she actually had it all 3 times.

Hand: I am in EP with 9T and open limp $2. V is 2 to my left and raises to $15. There are 3 callers in front of me so it's $13 more to me and I call. First question: Is this still a fold? Should I be following the 10x/20x rule and since I don't have 20x15 ($300) in my stack, I shouldn't call with suited connectors? But what about when there are 3 callers and it's $13 more for me to now win $62 getting nearly 5:1? How would the math work in this situation?

Flop ($75ish): Q87

I check. V sizes out $50. Everyone folds and I'm now last to act. Second question: Hero?? Techincally I know I need 4-1 at least to make the "correct" call. How do I factor in implied odds in this situation? Should I really fold at this point despite picking up the open-ender? Can I also call to semi-bluff a diamond turn?

I call.

Turn ($175): 8

I check, V checks.

River ($175): 5

Final question: Hero? Optimal play at this point to shove or just give up?

Nope, not even a little bit. Also, no one even knows this yet.

This is fine, but not TAG, of course.

OK, now fold. You don't have enough in your stack to make a call worth it. This is how we bleed our stack down with inferior hands. No, your 5-1 expressed odds to see a flop make no difference.

OTR, you have 2 plays. Shoving is one. I think you get a fold a non-zero amount of the time. Just mucking your hand is another. Either way, you won't have to worry about that pesky TAG image for a while anyway.

Am seeming this is. 1/2 game.. Please don't limp early with sc..if the table dynamics is weak open ur self.. Or else jus fold.. Folding flop for sure with a diamond draw out there.. Now fold river..

This is the problem with sc when oop.. Tough to control pot.tough to get paid also.. Hope this helps



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forget pot odds preflop. They are useless.

In this hand, 5:1 means you need to win the hand 16% of the time. Are we going to do that? How would we even go about figuring it out? We would have to assign ranges to all the opponents and estimate how they play on tons of different flops.

The pot odds problem you give post flop is easier, we know what cards we want, and what types of hands we're going to beat.

I'm not limping ep with SCs unless I know the table and know its very limp happy. I want to be able to win without making a hand and it gets a lot tougher when we're OOP.

Flop, I'm folding again. Not getting good odds, out of position, against someone who can make our life difficult if we pair up, or hit the straight with the flush coming in.

River I fold. To someone who bets big on rivers without always having it, shoving that river will look like a whiffed FD, especially the way you played your hand, often enough to be burning money.

You're playing TAG, limping EP with T9 sooooted...?

Nah. That's ignorant.

OP, people are being a bit harsh but the reality is you aren't playing TAG in this situation. Opening with T9s in EP isn't tight. Limping isn't aggressive. A tight EP range that is narrow would be something like 88+, ATs+, AQo+, KQs. You could decide to polarize this by stripping out ATs and AJs and substituting two smaller SCs. That would still be tight, but you've extended your range a bit to so more boards could hit you. And if you were aggressive, you would raising 3 times more often pf than limping or calling. So if you had raised and explained you wanted part of your range to polarized, I would accept that you were playing TAG.

The next point is this is a good situation to call on the flop. People often see the FD but miss the straight draw. With everyone else out, I like a call. I don't have 6 outs, I have 14 to win this hand.

On the river, just give up. The 5 missed any part of your range and will get called.

I would default fold preflop, there are just too many hands to get through (and you are playing out of position, which you always want to avoid like the plague) , if villians are passive and bad (paying off with top pair when get a flush, straight, or two pair/trips) then limping has some merits. Raising would be ok if the table if the table is tight/fit or fold/they fold to double barrels a lot.

I would also fold flop, not looking to float to rep diamonds if they hit without more information. Villian's line looks like pot control to me and I expect any bet you make will get looked up by a pair. If she had been playing LAG, c-betting most flops and shutting down on turn without a hand I could see bluffing but that doesn't sound acccurate in this situation.

Fold pf.

The flop is decent and the call is okay. Check ott is good. I would b/f the river.

Eli Elezra said something to the effect of "I don't like chasing a draw unless I can bet the fuqq out of it when it hits." How much do you like the Jd ott? Also, being oop will make it difficult to factor in any IO.