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9T as PFR vs loose/passive V 9T as PFR vs loose/passive V

02-08-2015 , 02:15 AM
1/2 Maryland Live

Hero ($300): Late 20s white guy. laying TAG, winning image, rarely showing down hands but winning the few I'm involved in.

V ($300): Loose/passive 40 year old white guy. Recently saw him cold call a raise on the flop with KJ on an AT7 board. Then the other guy bet the full pot $75 on the turn And the V tanked for a long time then folded.

Hand: V is UTG and limps. 1 limper after him to me in the CO with 9T and I raise to $12. Button calls, and everyone else mentioned calls.

Flop ($51): K95

Everyone checks. Thoughts?

Turn ($51): K

V leads for $10. I call and everyone else folds. Thoughts here?

River ($71): 4

V bets $10 again. Hero? Thoughts on all streets appreciated.
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02-08-2015 , 03:50 AM
Pre seems good/standard.

Flop needs to be a bet. This is a taylor made board to cbet, K high, checks to you the pfr, you have a pice w. back door equity, gotta bet here, $35-$45.

as played, I think that we missed the opportunity to take control of the pot on the flop, so now I'm calling $10 and seeing the river. On the river you beat busted FD's and gutters and he does have a few worse 9's (98s,97s) so I call the $10 getting 7/1 expecting to lose a little more than half the time.

The flop check is the only thing wrong with this hand
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02-08-2015 , 03:58 AM
Flop I prefer a bet. As played easy calls.
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02-08-2015 , 04:27 AM
What exactly is the point of my flop bet? Protection of my equity + value from 66-88/random 5s/gutters?
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02-08-2015 , 07:03 AM
I like the flop check. His turn bet looks so weak that I feel obligated to raise it and have decent equity vs his range if called. A call is ok too though. River is a snap call given lol pot odds.
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02-08-2015 , 09:16 AM
Regardless of results, I hope you stayed at this table for as long as possible. With loose passive fish playing like this with you, this is a great table.
In this hand, I like the Pf raise. A nice variance move to mix up your play. I'd probably raise here some percentage of the time, like 30-70%, depending on the table. But I think your raise is too small. this hand plays well multiway if you get in cheap or plays well in position against a small field because you can outplay your opponent. But it's hard to outplay too many opponents at once. Given the limpets, and that this seems like a table with players who love to limp call, bigger preflop.
OTF, I'd bet because you do have equity to protect against a lot of hands in your opponents ranges including any ace; gut shot draws; lower PP. recfish will give you credit for AK when you cbet, so you'll take this down with a bet a lot of the time. I'd bet a little more than half pot.
AP, can't fold river for such a small bet and great pot odds. you win this hand more than half the time. I do like the flat OTT. You picked up a flush draw and the king makes it more likely your pair of 9s is good. If you raise, you might get blown off the hand. You definitely can raise here and I see the merit of that play, esp against V as described, but I I would take the great odds you're getting to draw to the flush, combined with the times your two pair is good and keep the pot small.
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02-08-2015 , 09:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Havax
What exactly is the point of my flop bet? Protection of my equity
Yes. There is a TON of value there is in getting QJ,A5, and 44 to fold on this flop.

Against those particular hands you get into a way behind situation on 18 turn cards (Ax3,Qx3,Jx3,Tx3,5x2,4x4). Those turn cards that kill you are freebies for your opponents. They are done putting money into the pot until the point at which they pass you up. There's really not much on the turn that gives them second-best hands that they'll all of a sudden want to start putting money into the pot.
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02-08-2015 , 09:19 AM
Raise TURN for sure
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02-08-2015 , 09:31 AM
Well played pre. I think you should bet the flop because it's so dry. Cbetting with mid-pair into 3 opponents at a loose passive table usually isn't a great play, but this is one situation where I would.

Raise the turn. You'll find out really quick if villain has a K or not. As played, call the river.
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02-08-2015 , 11:23 AM
as played, raise turn seems terrible.

I'd bet flop, but don't feel the need to go any higher than like $20-$25. probably plan to check back lots of turns, including the one we got.
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02-08-2015 , 11:28 AM
I raise a little bigger pre.
I think you have to cbet 2/3 pot here. I assume you get one caller.
Bet turn as villan must not be to proud of his pair.
Bet river big to take down pot.

If you raise pre with 910s you can't pretend to win the hand by hitting your cards, you got to get creative post flop and rep a big hand. AK in this case.
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02-08-2015 , 01:26 PM
I would have 1/2 pot c bet on the flop. Check back turn. Call river.
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