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A♥️A♠️ vs ?? What would you do??? A♥️A♠️ vs ?? What would you do???

12-11-2017 , 05:10 AM
NLH $2/5

Hero BTN A♥️A♠️ (TAG) $1107 stack
Villian UTG ? ? (LAG) $975 stack
Villain UTG bets $30 Preflop
hero calls $30
Pot $60
Flop comes
K♥️J♦️8♦️

Villian overbets $175 into $60

villian points to the K♥️ says I got one...
Hero tanks
Hero folds
villian mucks ??
Villian is a loose aggressive player I played with him several times he’s very aggressive some would say maniac possibly last week was in a similar hand aces vs low two pair and he stacked me, Please if anyone has any advice on how I played the hand or how I should have played it, I would love to hear your thoughts because I can’t stop thinking if it was a bad fold or not below I attached a pic from PKRCruncher of the showdown equity also.. which after I saw made me feel like it’s a bad fold.. thanks grinders!


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12-11-2017 , 05:28 AM
3b pre. You're on the button and V just raised to $30 UTG, what a dream. As played call and see what he does on the turn. Call pre/fold to one bet does not compute.
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12-11-2017 , 06:30 AM
Preflop: If you've been rather sheepish vs. V, a raise will set off alarms. Problem is you have 2 left to act. Not so bad if: they are folding a lot to raises as you have the Button.
Then we need to ask if we are going to make at least as much money HU flatting as we would raising. If we can count on V to bet a whiffed flop, with his AK/AQ, it's a candidate for flatting when the stars line up.
However, you say you're a TAG, so a raise wouldn't be that alarming if you would do so with JJ. I would elect to raise pre, since I would 3! TT+. I'd make it $90

Flop: AP, let him do the betting & call down. He could have AdKd or AdQd
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12-11-2017 , 06:34 AM
I mean I'm like 99% to call here but more info about villain? How did the low two pair hand play out exactly? How unusual are overbets like this from him?
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12-11-2017 , 06:47 AM
3! pre is mandatory here, you have to have a 3! range in order to extract value and the nuts has to be in your value range.
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12-11-2017 , 08:10 PM
I'd point at the 2 diamonds and then jam
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12-11-2017 , 09:24 PM
Pre: 3b to 125. Maniac, In position, AA - This is where we turn on the gas. I size larger because of the maniac factor increasing chances he calls.

Flop: This is super read dependent. If V does crazy stuff like this all the time without a monster, then i'm coming over the top AI.

Because the hand went so wrong pre-flop, I am ok with your fold as I don't want to light up 200bb in the dark. If you 3b pre and he bets something ridiculous, then i'm more amenable to this. It's also possible he just goes postal pre and you get it in. If I just have 100bb, i'm shipping this all day long and taking my chances.
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12-11-2017 , 11:39 PM
I'm 3! pre to anywhere from $90-$120, probably would do $105. If he 4! bets pre, I'm shoving over the top and getting it in right there. As played, I'd probably fold as well, but I could also shove in that spot depending on whether I think he has KK/JJ/88 vs. AK/flush draw (I don't think this is AJ or QQ but it could very well be). If he miraculously hit KJ, K8, or J8, then so be it (I'll have 8 outs on the turn). You 3! pre to narrow his range in order to make this decision easier.

Last edited by RottPhiler; 12-12-2017 at 12:00 AM.
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12-12-2017 , 02:58 AM
how do you ever fold here? I am getting chips in!!! If he has KK or 2 pair hes going to want to take ya and wont be saying a word. I am so sure you are good here if he said that. Lets have a moment of silence for the equity lost. Actually it ïs likely he has air. call let him bluff again and get it in on any non king turn.

Last edited by warren1; 12-12-2017 at 03:06 AM.
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12-12-2017 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by warren1
how do you ever fold here? I am getting chips in!!! If he has KK or 2 pair hes going to want to take ya and wont be saying a word. I am so sure you are good here if he said that. Lets have a moment of silence for the equity lost. Actually it ïs likely he has air. call let him bluff again and get it in on any non king turn.
Actually his pointing to the K and saying "I got one" is what gives me pause. It's very likely that it's reverse psychology (these players are good for one level of reverse psychology, but usually not 2+ levels deep) and that's not the only thing he has.
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12-12-2017 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by RottPhiler
Actually his pointing to the K and saying "I got one" is what gives me pause. It's very likely that it's reverse psychology (these players are good for one level of reverse psychology, but usually not 2+ levels deep) and that's not the only thing he has.
imo it means he has air or weak king like kj. each to their own though.

that would be a line on the river to induce a call. he wants you to fold.
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12-12-2017 , 03:27 AM
You have AA against a maniac on the button, this is literally the dream. 3 Bet to $100 or whatever and go from there. As played I have no clue what I would do, probably go with my gut and sigh call.

I would say villain's range is AKdd, KQdd, KJ, 9Tdd which has us beat.
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12-12-2017 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by warren1
that would be a line on the river to induce a call. he wants you to fold.
Agreed, on the river he wants a call, on the flop he wants a fold.
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12-12-2017 , 10:54 AM
Pre flop without a raise lets him continue with hands like K, J off without a 3 bet. When you 3 bet you don't put him in a position to continue with that, or you are way ahead with extra money in the pot.

Post flop I think a call is almost mandatory. An overbet on the flop is looking for a fold. Play a turn and see where you stand
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04-11-2020 , 11:11 PM
lmfao
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04-11-2020 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
I'd point at the 2 diamonds and then jam
lmfao!
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04-11-2020 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
I mean I'm like 99% to call here but more info about villain? How did the low two pair hand play out exactly? How unusual are overbets like this from him?
yeah i should have what could he really have had AKs best case or KJ with one diamond...
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04-12-2020 , 02:26 AM
Villain probably mostly has draws here: QT, T9, and diamonds. I'd raise here expecting him not to fold much. If we flat it will be pretty dicey when he bets the turn on a scare card (which there are many) because we don't really know exactly how he plays the various hands in his range.
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04-12-2020 , 07:44 PM
I only have two always rules on poker.

1. Always raise AA preflop.
2. Always bet/raise flopped two pair.
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04-13-2020 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by RottPhiler
Actually his pointing to the K and saying "I got one" is what gives me pause. It's very likely that it's reverse psychology (these players are good for one level of reverse psychology, but usually not 2+ levels deep) and that's not the only thing he has.
People actually rarely flat out lie in poker when they can be caught.

Anyway raise pre. As played in think flop is close between raise and call. Never folding.
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04-14-2020 , 05:41 PM
Pre-flop is an obvious raise against everyone, especially this guy.

I don't care what you do on the flop as long as you don't fold. Flatting vs. a true maniac is fine. Let him hang himself. Raising is fine, too, as long as you don't fold.
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04-14-2020 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by warren1
imo it means he has air or weak king like kj. each to their own though.

that would be a line on the river to induce a call. he wants you to fold.
KJ is top two pair here sir
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04-14-2020 , 07:36 PM
OP this is the worst hand I ever saw posted on twoplustwo. Take two weeks off then quit poker
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04-14-2020 , 08:53 PM
^^ Sure, but OP was 2+ years ago.
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04-17-2020 , 12:42 AM
What app is that on the pic?
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