I played this hand yesterday at a 2/5 table. Effective stacks $500. Game was quite aggressive with a usual pre-flop raise.

I have been at the table for about 4 hours. Villain just sat down. I was in middle position. Villain is on the button. Hero image was TAG/AGGRO, though I would argue that I was on the tighter side of TAG/AGGRO.

Limper to me, and I look down and see 8c6c, and raise $30. Villain calls on the button. Blinds fold, and early limper calls.

3 to the flop of

9c7d6h

Limper checks, I bet $45. Villain raises to $145. Limper folds. I chose to call.

Turn 2c to a pot of about $390. Villain has over $300 left of his stack.

Hero?

I should add, in this particular hand, my image doesn't really matter since Villain just sat down and Villain and I have no history playing together.

Fold pre, check flop, check/call turn if you get getting odds. Two pair no good and you are prob chopping if you hit your straight. So you have 11 outs at the very most. 7 if V has a set.

What's the plan if villain checks turn and river bricks?

So is raising 86s in MP a standard play for you? Just trying to gauge how you define terms.

C-bet is fine, but I would c/c Turn to disguise my hand a bit and perhaps for some pot control. Bottom pair on this board is pretty weak .. picking up the weak flush draw is also something you don't want to get blown off of by a raise. But you called anyway .. which is also 'ok' with your (now) increased (backdoor) flush outs.

I agree you really dont want 2 pair (but it might be good) and the low straight might be gone .. but $30 with 8T on 1st hand? It could be any JJ/TT/98/set/78 here. Which you need help against all of that.

You are crushed by straight .. but unlikely first hand?
You are 25% against pair/OESD hands ... could be he likes suited connectors on B
You are 32% against sets ... very possible .. but more than 7 outs with OESD/flush
You are 35-45% against overpairs ... TT/JJ only, QQ+ raise PF, yes?
You are 70% against over cards with flush draw ... Not sure why that would raise Flop though.

$300 into $990 is 30% so its very close to a =EV shove here and I think you could get some hands that beat you to fold. If this guy knows his math he is probably calling, but I think you can shove here ... but it's =EV and not sure you are into that.

c/c a shove is same but you lose any FE you get from shoving first, if there is any.

We don't play to break even, but you are in this spot ... shove away. GL

I always get this LAG and TAG mixed up bc I am always in a rush when I type these things at work. What I really meant to say about my image was LAG/AGGRO, but more on the tighter side of LAG/AGGRO from my POV.

But to answer your question, it just depends on the game obviously. I like to mix things up when I play, sometimes I fold in MP with that hand depending on who has the button, who's behind me, and who the blinds are. Sometimes I'll limp; and as in this particular case, sometimes I raise.

answer20,

Thank you for the analysis. Much appreciated!

Check fold

Preflop raise is marginal, depends on your image. I like it if you have been running over the table and you've got the table dialed in and villains are fit-n-fold and face up w their play and you can rep AK. I don't like it if your image is weak and/or your villains have no fold button post flop and you are unable to rep AK.

As played, flop bet is fine, flop call is meh. Once you call the flop raise and get this turn, you got to shovel it. I am of the firm belief that when we play these sorts of hands, we can't be half-assed with them in spots like this. We should have zero problem jamming with pair + OESD + FD for a PSB. There is always some fold equity even though V showed strength on the flop. Even if FE is only 15% or 20%, combined w our equity on turn shoving becomes + EV

im fine pre

the decision is not OTT but the OTF, if we call his raise we are less than PSB OTT.

1) We can fold since it's a 4 way str board if we hit and may not get paid and villains aint going anywhere with the stacks sizes.

2) If im calling, i will most likely jamming if i hit (str, 2 pairs, trips) and even if another club comes.

ap, jamming for sure. we still have fold equity here vs overpairs and equity vs sets, str, 2 pairs.

I think the flop call is a major spew, your OOP against an unknown Villian? There's no description of V so I'm assuming he's your typical player, your hand really needs to see 2 more cards and don't think he's going to let you unless your committing your whole stack so not sure this is a great spot to be in. If did choose to continue, I would shove and commit to it. A lot depends on this Villians image for sure but against typical player, spewy is my vote.

If anyone is interested, I jam the turn. Villain tanks and folds TT faced up.

Thanks for all the responses.

Flop I would say calling is not great. I prefer folding or jamming flop although I'd have to think about which I prefer. I kind of lean towards folding as villains line seems like 77/99 quite often.

Wow, how does villain check raise1/3 of his stack on flop and fold that turn. Seems like a huge mistake on his part.