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88-QQ OOP in EP... Have a limp-reraise range or just raise? 88-QQ OOP in EP... Have a limp-reraise range or just raise?

10-23-2015 , 10:08 PM
Whenever i raise with these hands or any hands (but i generally don't raise with HIO hands like T9s no point...) i always get 3+ callers given if one player calls more people call behind... and i got to the flop multiway with 5 people
so...
99 vs. 4 opp.
PE = 20% at best?
vs.
99 vs. 1 or 2 opp.
PE = 35-45%


-I hate playing huge pots OOP
-Bet sizing tells are horrible; usually large bet sizing = a marginal hand or a very strong hand if opp. is a rec
-Having a balanced limp-reraise range preflop where i can maybe got folds + get HU vs 1 villain instead of like 4+. Downside = playing a huge pot OOP and not knowing where im @ OTF when the SPR = 1-2ish...
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10-23-2015 , 10:43 PM
Usually in low limit with say 100bb or less buyins your betting more so for value. So I think anything from 88 - AA, plus AQs +, I'm raising in early position especially if the players are very passive. If the game is very loose and a lot of 3! action I'm more inclined to set mine with non Broadway pairs.

I'm less inclined to limp reraise with pockets as I think it's a little on the scared poker side of things especially if I get Broadway pockets.
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10-23-2015 , 10:44 PM
I always raise with 77+ in EP
just for the fact that I never open limp is just too weak IMO, I also dont change my bet sizing for hand ranking so when I do have AA people dont know if I got it or AK/77+
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10-23-2015 , 10:44 PM
You seem like you play mostly online. So I'll give you a hint: everybody's unbalanced and exploitable in LLSNL.

A lot will depend on stack depth and your opponents' tendencies. As a default IMO assume they call too much. So the closer you get to 88- consider limping and open more the closer to QQ you get. Absolute position will play a factor.

Accept you're gonna play bloated multi way pots in LLSNL and figure it out.
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10-23-2015 , 10:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
Whenever i raise with these hands or any hands (but i generally don't raise with HIO hands like T9s no point...) i always get 3+ callers given if one player calls more people call behind... and i got to the flop multiway with 5 people
so...
99 vs. 4 opp.
PE = 20% at best?
vs.
99 vs. 1 or 2 opp.
PE = 35-45%


-I hate playing huge pots OOP
-Bet sizing tells are horrible; usually large bet sizing = a marginal hand or a very strong hand if opp. is a rec
-Having a balanced limp-reraise range preflop where i can maybe got folds + get HU vs 1 villain instead of like 4+. Downside = playing a huge pot OOP and not knowing where im @ OTF when the SPR = 1-2ish...
get used to playing OOP, while it isn't a great feeling if you get used too it you can think about how you want to play the hand a lot better(doesn't mean it will get easier thought)
as for the balance range TBH at these limits I dont think it matter that much as working on poker fundamentals will work out a lot better in the long run
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10-24-2015 , 09:52 AM
Don't worry about balance. If you think opponents are picking up on your tendencies, table change. I also will sometimes/rarely, and only with a winning image, open with rogue hands in EP. If I smash the flop and get to showdown, my range is balanced for the night (hands like T7s, 53s). I'm talking RARE, but you don't need to add many hands to have plenty of balance with you EP opening range.

In general, I limp PP 22-88 in EP, and plan to call a reasonable raise and set mine. I'll open 99+, depending on table dynamic. If it's very aggressive, I am more likely to limp 99-QQ, and depending on the exact V, maybe re raise with them.

With a hand like JJ or QQ, open raising and playing a multiway pot OOP is just part of game flow. If I flop an over pair, typically c betting. If over cards flop, it depends.

I think a key here is opening a slightly wider range with hands that aren't PP. if you're regularly getting 3-5 callers, you might open more but bigger. If the table dynamic is such that people call most open raises but rarely raise themselves, which happens a lot, you'll have to play more raised pots multiway OOP.

Open bigger, charge them to crack you. But in those spots, I prefer set mining a hand like 77 to opening with it.

If we're opening in EP with AK, AQ, as well as JJ+, we're likely to have enough balance to not be exploited by most $1/2 and $2/5 opponents. I also open very wide in late position. They don't track position, they just know I'm active, so this gives me balance, too.
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10-24-2015 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
You seem like you play mostly online. So I'll give you a hint: everybody's unbalanced and exploitable in LLSNL.

A lot will depend on stack depth and your opponents' tendencies. As a default IMO assume they call too much. So the closer you get to 88- consider limping and open more the closer to QQ you get. Absolute position will play a factor.

Accept you're gonna play bloated multi way pots in LLSNL and figure it out.
Transitioned from online - live until i complete this challenge will be going back to online shortly

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...n-buy-1558580/

sort of figured the advice i actually am going to have a limp-re-raising range given i play a TAG style live therefore ill kill 2 birds with 1 stone i never really use my tight image/strong perceived range to bluff ppl or steal pots so i think i could profit be limp-reraising i dont mind playing vs 1 villain i have a postflop skill edge almost always vs. these guys +
given i dont see any point in bluffing in LLSNL but thin value betting is a diff story pretty much playing to maximally exploit ppl.
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10-24-2015 , 07:34 PM
Bluffing is a huge part of winning at llsnl. like there are some villains and some tables where I literally never bluff, but if anything most poker room regulars fold way too often and you can just abuse them ip if you have a little bit of stack depth.
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10-24-2015 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by philepistemer
Bluffing is a huge part of winning at llsnl. like there are some villains and some tables where I literally never bluff, but if anything most poker room regulars fold way too often and you can just abuse them ip if you have a little bit of stack depth.
No dude trust me its not worth it
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10-24-2015 , 07:49 PM
Lol
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10-24-2015 , 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by philepistemer
Bluffing is a huge part of winning at llsnl. like there are some villains and some tables where I literally never bluff, but if anything most poker room regulars fold way too often and you can just abuse them ip if you have a little bit of stack depth.






Quote:
Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96
No dude trust me its not worth it
Have to agree, when i first started i was bluffing into pots way too often than needed, but once you start too see people are not folding tp any kick it just doesnt make much sense.
Now that isnt too say that you should never bluff as people wont pay you off when you get something.
I don't mind get caught bluff with bottom pair or ace high into a small pot as people will remember you as the gut that was betting with bottom pair so whenyou get the goods you win big cause people just wont believe you
TBH if you work on your basic fundamentals of poker you will do some much better thab thinking about bluffing and what not
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