88 OOP on KKx board. Small stack shoves all in. Do you call? 1/2
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The villain Asian regular who plays a lot of hands. Busts out often and rebuys for a small amount (60-70). He has a fairly wide betting/calling range but I've never seen him make a bluff raise.
Hero is in SB with 8c8s and $300. 2 limpers including the villain on the button. He has $65.
Hero raises to $15 and only the villain calls.
Flop ($32): Ks Kh 4d. Hero bets $20. Villain shoves for another $35.
3-1 odds ($107/$35). Is he shoving 66, A4, random bluffs often enough here to call or should I throw it away?
If you fold, would you fold QQ and JJ as well? Thanks so much!
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I would raise larger pre as callers are out flopping us fairly often and we'll be oop.
Decent flop, now call.
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I call off with AQ as well.
It gets interesting around AJ imo
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Awesome, thanks for the feedback. Yeah when that flop hit, it felt like a perfect one for someone to try bluffing.
How much would you raise preflop in the SB? I usually make it $10 + $2 for each limper, so that's why $15. Bump it up to $20 since I'm OOP?
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I don't think he's bluffing he just sees a pretty good flop too for any single pairs and since his stack is short he's shoving.
I guess 18 is the smallest I would go and that would be vs limpers I know to be tight. If any are loose or unknown I'd go bigger.
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Blue horseshoe likes call
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U could go bigger like 18 pre but I think 15 is just fine. If our opponent were deeper I could see going up to even 20 but since one is very short it’s reasonable to size down a bit
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I call. No chance I would fold QQ or JJ.
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Haven't played 1/2 in a long time, but my standard there was whatever the standard open was (ranged from $8-15, depending on location and game, but usually $12) plus 1bb per limper and 1 for being OOP. If there were more than 3 limpers I'd add another BB on.
So in this case, if I were going to open here (some games, if people were willing to go broke with TP in limped pots, I'd just complete and set-mine) my standard open would be $18.
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Id much rather raise something like QJ (which I do regularly after a few limpers) from the SB than 88. I dont know why everyone tries to make this game so hard on themselves.
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I size flop halfpot and probably fold to a shove. Im not really sure V’s do this with a smaller pair. It really depends on what I think V’s image of me is.
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Definitely a call. He's shoving with all sorts of hands we beat (4x, 55, 66, 77) that are afraid to see an overcard drop.
There's a chance he's spazzing with Kx but that's far more often played as a call here.
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Great advice everyone, thank you! I think as played, the call was correct.
That being said, I think MikeStarr made a good point. Why raise 88 from the SB in the first place, against a wild Saturday night crowd? I'll tighten up OOP to avoid these tough decisions. Thanks again.
