Call. Let’s see what he does on the river.

If he has any bluffs we don’t want to scare them off with a turn 3bet, and we really don’t want to fold out AK by 3betting the turn.

He’s obviously going to have AA quite a bit taking this line.

Pause. Shuffle chips. Pause again. Count out a call. Pause again. Call.

Villain is doing this with a certain % of bluffs that we don't want to fold out by shoving on top.

Good villains will often shove 300 into a 263 pot to put us in a sick spot OTR. Not worried about getting stacks in. He'll be priced in anyways if he bets the river 2/3 pot

Btw - just circling back back to the flop/turn bet discussion, I'm not sure Villain makes this same raise if we pot flop and pot turn. But it's somewhat marginal ofc

Tank, call. Villain almost certainly has to lead river and since the A is out there and you bet the flop, back door diamonds are not concerning to him. Cant imagine V checking or folding many rivers. What card kills the action? Villain can also jam his missed draws with this line. Either way it's almost impossible not to GII OTR. If he turns over a straight or AA god bless him.

Agree that sizing can be bigger - Raging Owl makes good points about how bumping up your raise OTF by just a bb or two can have compounding effects on later streets.

AP OTT - Look confused / concerned for a few seconds, then call.

It's going AI one way or another on the river.

OK, well the consensus seems to be tank call on the turn which is what Hero does to try and make my hand look weak.

River ($263)

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Villain pauses for 10 full seconds and declares "all in".

So, $563 in the pot for Hero to call $300 (1.87-1, so Hero needs to be good 35% to call). To be honest, this is where I got concerned and where I want the most feedback. What range do you guys put V on that takes this line (Raise pre, check/call flop, check/raise turn, shove river)? Am I being MUBsy to ever consider folding here vs a good, thinking player?

If he's raising 67, he's probably not check/calling flop. He's probably betting it.

He's probably not even playing 32.

He's not check/raising KK on the turn, that would be suicide.

I think you lose here to AA only, and that's way less than 35% of his range. He's got 44, 45, A8, A4, A5 here most of the time.

I call, and I'm pretty happy about it regardless of results.

river is a forum call, there is no debate. In game i guess you could make some absurd exploit fold since some guys will have {AA} here.

The spot to get better and improve your overall game is the flop. Figure out a check back range, a small bet range, and a big bet(possibly overbet) range. Also figure out what it means for the rest of villains range when he checks dry axx flop and how to approach his flop bets.

+1

If you lost the hand to some wacky straight or if AA got hella lucky that you hit your card too, god bless, that's poker. You have to call.

+1

I think this is as close to a fist pump call as we can get against a good player. I snap this off.

He has more combos of AK than both AA and KK combined. It's generous to even include all KK but hes capable of turning it into a bluff.

Quit poker if you fold here and don't slowroll/nitroll. Tons of hands you beat that people play aggressively 5 handed here. A4, A5, A8, 55, 44, AK, some poor AQ, 56, 45, Kxdd. Obv can have AA, 67, couple 23s combos.

Ok ok. Of course I didn't fold, but I had a very strong feeling at the table that I was beat because of the specific line. I just didn't see any other hands that played this way other than AA (not even AK and certainly not KK...maybe 76 but I highly doubt this guy floats me on this flop with that). And of course that is what he had (my second set over set loss of the day and third in my last 4 sets over two weeks). So, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anythingand you guys conformed it. Just a really tough few hours.

Anyway, the only good news is that I got up and left without spewtorching the other $700 in my pocket.

Thanks for the feedback as always.

Shorn

44, A4, A5, some A8, some 55 (maybe), some AK.

You're not deep enough to get away from a set on this board texture I think.

5-handed it's a fist pump too since he's less likely to have AA.

PS: yeah getting set over setted 5-handed is definitely a cooler. Not a hand you should lose any sleep over.

Impossible fold for us mere mortals IMO. I know the feeling though when your gut tells you to do something irrational but your brain says not to, and your gut ends up being correct. I had a hand like that with 77 vs KK and I just "knew" he had the KK but I couldn't fold, he had the KK... just have to take our lumps with set over set. Sounds like you've taken several months worth lately. Keep grinding!