H is a YWG wearing a T-shirt. At the table for about 1h. Image should be laggy, been opening a fair amount of pots. Table has seen me 3 barrel bluff and lose to a rivered top 2. Very next hand I doubled up with a turned NF. Stack just under 400.

H has 88 utg+1 and opens to 12. 2 callers, one tight-ish Rec player and a Chinese guy who just sat down a few hands ago. A somewhat fishy guy shoves his last 62 into the pot. Thoughts are that I’m over 50% against his range, which can be almost all aces, all pairs, big cards, and maybe even random SC or garbage.

I call, expecting it get HU a large amount of the time. Tight guy folds, Chinese guy calls.

Flop: Q42r

H is first to act and makes it 75. Thoughts are that it’s hard for Chinese guy to call without a Q and I can push out random over cards / esp aces that still have good equity. Chinese guy thinks and shoves for 238 total. Going with my read, and with the lack of draws, I conclude he has a Q and I fold.

I’ll post results after since all players had to show for the main pot. all thoughts welcome.


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Seems like a fine fold against an unknown. Although you maybe shouldn't have bet so much into a dry side pot, he might have taken that as a sign of weakness....

just shove pre

ap check otf

Against an unknown it's an easy fold. If you are ahead you are likely to be barely ahead but if you are behind your likely crushed.

You also discovered one of the reasons not to bet into a dry side pot. Once you bet a significant amount you make it worthwhile for V2 to bluff even if he has a bad hand. Even if V2 knows he has little chance of taking down the main pot if he can bluff you out he can get the side pot and at least break even.

+1 once the chinese guy and rec player overcall they have very few hands that have you crushed pretty much like 99-TT are it and they are such a tiny portion of range.

check the flop. four betting pre would be fine, assuming the guys calling you are pretty loose, but i prefer to just call.

$15 pre, iso re shove over fish shove. On the flop I would definitely check and as played fold.

Yeah, I think not reshoving to iso was a big mistake here, then compounded by betting flop. 88 needs to get heads up and there’s almost certainly nothing out there that calls a reshove and I’m definitely ahead of the shorty’s range.

I folded flop, which seems to be about the only part of the hand I played right lol. The guy that shoved flop on me tables KQs and the shorty showed AT. Board ran out clean and the Q held.


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Shove pre. I think a flop bet is fine but you should go smaller because the pot is protected and the board is extremely dry. Most players will play honestly with an allin player involved and won't try to bluff you whether you check or bet.

I wouldn't open preflop but that's my style in EP/MP.

I'm actually fine with just flatting the fishy last-ditch all-in with lol chips. Going from $12 to $62 should pretty much do all the isolation for us, there is no reason to reraise here at these non-short stack depths (where getting called behind would likely be a disaster). At a smaller stack depth I'd be cooler with a reraise / shove, but we can't afford to be wrong too often here at this stack depth (especially in games where EP opens can be flatted by very large hands).

I would also bet the flop to simply protect what is likely the best hand, knowing that the bet and rest of the action will likely be played out pretty honestly due to the pot being protected. With this in mind, I might even bet out less (like $50, not really expecting to get floated by A high here). I also fold to the raise. ETA: Really surprised so many are cool with checking this flop / think someone is going to start playing back in a big protected pot.

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