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07-29-2018 , 06:38 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Hi all,

1/3 NL. Up to around $400. V is MABG in CO. Hero is super tight. Straddle and hero limps 85hh on BTN. Straddle raises to $16, four callers. Pot $57.

Flop: 3h-4c-6h.

Straddle bets $25, V raises to $70, hero jams. Hero hasn't had this high of a variance spot in a while but feels like this is the time to go for it. OK?

Thanks,
DT

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07-29-2018 , 06:51 PM

Nozsr

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Realistically, this is the best flop we can hope for that isn't "flop the nut straight" time.

In my games, all the Villains shove the combo draw.

How many of these will we flop in a session? Not more than two or three for sure, even if we sit there for 6 hours or more.

If we don't shove the flopped combo draw, why play suited cards?

(One might argue that a double suited gapper isn't worth limping, much less $16 more, but once we are there, hammer jammer.)

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07-29-2018 , 07:18 PM

paperboyNC

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Originally Posted by Nozsr

Looks like $10 more (not $16 more).

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07-29-2018 , 07:21 PM

paperboyNC

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To the OP: You didn't give us much information about V.

- What range do you think V is raising with?
- What are your opponent's stack sizes?

Both are important to determine fold equity. Also, if V is only raising with crazy good hands (set, flopped straight) you could be in an awful spot, especially if straddle has a bigger flush draw.

TLDR: jamming only makes sense if you have fold equity

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07-29-2018 , 07:27 PM

DumbosTrunk

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Originally Posted by paperboyNC

V has around $500. V could have 2p or a set, *maybe* flopped the joint but I block 75 so that's less likely. Other Vs in hand cover as well, but not by much.

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07-29-2018 , 07:45 PM

Nozsr

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Our fold equity, if any, is usually higher on the flop than on the turn.

If we brick the turn then the Villain(s) have the fold equity, as our card equity is a lot lower after the brick.

If we have decided to play double gappers and flop a combo draw, don't we want to see two more cards?

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07-30-2018 , 10:22 AM

SwolyswoND

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

Hi all,

1/3 NL. Up to around $400. V is MABG in CO. Hero is super tight. Straddle and hero limps 85hh on BTN. Straddle raises to $16, four callers. Pot $57.

Flop: 3h-4c-6h.

Straddle bets $25, V raises to $70, hero jams. Hero hasn't had this high of a variance spot in a while but feels like this is the time to go for it. OK?

Thanks,
DT

Does not compute.

AP, jam is standard.

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07-30-2018 , 01:03 PM

paperboyNC

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I often call in this spot hoping the Straddle calls too. I'm getting much better odds with two opponents calling than just one.

If I have great fold equity, jamming is good because I can take down the pot right there.

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07-30-2018 , 02:07 PM

gobbledygeek

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First time preflop is really table dependent; the more horrible the limpers, the more I'm cool with overlimping; the better the limpers, the more I'm folding. Due to RIO issues I would fold to the raise at this point (I want to be the guy flush-over-flushing / etc. someone, not the other way around).

Usually it's best to use good semi-bluffs when opponents show weakness, not strength. I'm just not convinced we have much FE when the raiser continues into the world and a guy raises him. Think it might be better to flat and attempt to bring along raiser with whatever piece of cheese he has to pad our odds at this point.

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