Villains:

Villian1 in SB seems to be a pretty good player aggro not overly bluffy or anything TAG Asian mid 30s. Villian 2 HJ older gentleman TAG pretty straight forward. Does not raise or re-raise with AK though


OTH:

I was on the button with 84s spades with about $350 effective minus the short stacker who had $50 in BB
folds to HJ who limps for $2

I decided to raise to scoop this pot up $20 SB calls BB goes all in for $30 more. HJ calls $50 I call $30 SB calls $30

$30 to win $170 on button now i have to call here im assuming which i did. this should be ok right 5.7:1? I know 84s sucks but i was running hot and hitting a lot and in position.

so the pot is $200

flop 2 4h 7h Checks around I check. In retrospect I should have bet at least $100 here? If the HJ was as strong as he looked cold calling a re-raise he would have bet flop? Mistake # 1 i guess. Thoughts?

Turn brings the 9h

Turn 2 4h 7h 9h

SB bets $30 HJ calls $30 and I ???????

Pot is $260 and I have to call $30 My thoughts were the SB wouldn't try bluffing 3 of us specially if one is already all-in in. Once HJ called I pretty much was done with the hand with just a pair of 4s.

No idea what villain is in what positions. So not commentting besides.

Raising to $20 to win $5 with 84 is horrendous.

I think we can safely play any 2 on the button against only 4 possible opponents. I don't see this as that terrible. any other position? yes.

You think incorrectly imo. It is pretty terrible. Not only because the immediate odds aren't great $20 to win $5 needs to work a lot of the time to be +EV, but also because it'll get you into these spots where a series of seemingly reasonable decisions ($30 to win $170) leads you to the point where you've put $50 into a pot with one of the worst possible hands in poker, you have no idea where you're at and are a favourite to lose good money chasing after your bad money.

Another 6bet in the making.

Ok so too big. So is $15 better? regardless of my crap hand.

I wont to focus mostly post flop play here. not so much Pre.

.............since we are discussing preflop. Why is it a mistake to open with 50% of our hands from the button? 84s being the dead bottom perhaps. only mistake preflop i see is too large of a raise with just 1 limper. please someone defend me here. LOL

AP I would check the flop and fold the turn; I don't think the risk vs reward is good enough on the flop; you'll only get called by hands that crush you or have equity and you then would have to outdraw the AI player who likely has you beat; I would just try to get to showdown if you don't make trips tbh

hahah can't really defend you here, you could open a bunch of hands OTB but 84s shouldn't be one of them , it's easier to play hands that have more playability , don't make the decisions tougher than they have to be on future streets

Ok ok but how about 85s ?? still no good?

I mean it's less bad for sure lol maybe cut it at suited 2 gappers tho, so make 86s your bottom hand

OK cool. sounds good man thanks

np

Grunch, fold pre at every opportunity.

This is fishy thinking. How you have been running has no effect on how you will run now.

Ok, and for the rest of the hand?

People are quickly going to pick up you are raising/flatting 50% of your hands on the button and you will get put into even more positions like this so I wouldnt make this a standard part of your game.

Well this is the only speculative hand i played on the button in 3 hours. i just wanted to iso 1 caller., but the hand went south when the short stacker shoved.

Rest of the hand is meaningless if you play better pre.

Betting flop to try to deny overcard equity is meh. You're not getting rid of most PPs or overcards with hearts. Might as well check and hope you don't have to put in anymore money with your crap hand.

Turn kinda doesn't matter. On the one hand, it's a tiny bet. On the other, your heart outs are dead, and you might be drawing dead. Raising is insane. You could call the small bet to hope for a miracle, especially given the tilt you'd inflict if you hit, or you could fold and not put anymore money in with that cheese.

Mostly though, you need to read this quote from Limon: