So, I'm into the session for about 10 hours now, started with 500 euro and currently sitting on 1600. 1-2 game.

V1 BTN (650-700€) is a bit spazzy but he knows what he's doing, he likes to rely on his implied odds and can call big bets to make random two pairs (i've seen him doing it many times - not only in this session).

V2 UTG (250€) is a donk on MONKEY TILT, he's losing about 3k.

Hero has a solid winning image, 3betting, rarely lost a pot in the last hours. Overall playing a very good game.

V1 tells me few hands earlier that "he will catch me sooner or later" and looks quite annoyed by the fact he didn't win a hand against me.




V2 is on UTG and raises to 23, folds to me (AK) and I tank for 20 seconds and decide just to call (I wanted to mix a bit), folds to V1 who calls.

Flop (70€) K86

V2 bets 45

hero?



Turn (685€) 9

I'm counting the chips to put out a bet and he takes his whole stack and looks at me hinting "if you put out a bet I'll snap jam".

Hero?



River 2.

I'd like if you would write your own opnion BEFORE opening the spoilers please.
If anything is missing just tell me and I will add it.

precog: 3bet pre, lol!

raise larger on flop
check turn

Preflop there is no reason to hide your hand from somebody on tilt and you want to get heads up with him.

On flop either raise more or just call and commit to a call down line. If you have an exact read on stack sizes this would also be a good spot to min raise so that when V2 jams you can rejam on top.

Is V2 every doing this as a bluff? Does he do things like this to induce you to bet? Does his flat on the flop when V1 likely raises behind indicate a monster or can he call with a draw? The turn is a very meta game situation that depends on your read on villain.

Why raise the flop? We can easily get stacks in with V2 if we flat, and a raise will fold out his air (I assume). We want V1 overcalling with weaker Kx. Definitely not trying to get ~350bb stacks in against him with TPTK given reads.

Once V1 cold calls the raise, the rest of it is just so Villain-dependent. Is he capable of doing that with TPGK, 87, gutshots? Is he likely to play straightforward with a dry side pot?

And yes, 3bet pre

[ ] 800bb deep
[ ] Hero takes golden opportunity to iso V on monkey tilt with a premium hand
[x] Hero commits himself to sticking in 350bb with one pair on dry board
[ ] Hero playing "a very good game"

3bet pre

just call flop

Well, till that moment maybe? That is why I posted this hand 'cause I think I played it bad.


Anyway I'm not scared of V2 monkey tilt range cause it can be the whole deck.

I also don't think V1 calls with a gutshot there, I think he's trying to outplay me and on the turn he might get more out for his crazy hand.

first of all you're not 800bb deep in this hand. V1 only has 350bb so that's how deep this hand is.

the fundamental question of this hand is should you get 300+bb in on the flop (with about a 100bb "overlay" from V1) against V2. in general shoveling in 300bb on the flop in a single raised pot with TPTK is a losing play at these stakes. however if you think he's really going to call off his stack with worse than TPTK here then you def need to get it in. I'm personally not very optimistic about that outcome though, and I think most of the time when you do that, you end up getting shown 2pair/trips. my line is to iso-raise V1 and try to pot control against V2 when he decides to come along.

tl;dr: 3bet preflop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
raise flop to an amount that does not allow V1's shove to reopen betting (~138)
check it down and hope TPTK holds up for 300+BB
explanations below...

Preflop is a huge mistake. on one side you have monkey tilt and on the other a player w 300+bb telling you that you he's going to catch you, who you know will call big bets with inferior hands. there has never been a better situation to 3b AK for value than this.

** an aside on "mixing up my play" ... this is such a BS excuse for taking a losing line. "mixing up your play" is responding to table conditions to take an optimal line. there are some situations where your expected win from 3b AK might be lower than normal (ie the PFR is tight against 3bets so it's better to polarize your range, or she is a thoughtful hand reader who won't put you on AK when you flat, etc.). you call in these spots not to mix up your play, but because calling provides some additional EV. you mix up your play by doing what's best in a certain situation; not by just arbitrarily saying "let's call and see what happens" **

in a situation where you are in position on a player on tilt and someone behind you loves to take flops with implied odds, you should 100% 3bet AK pre. take advantage of their exploitability and exploit them. never call.

as for sizing, I would say big is good 80-100. this puts V2 in an awkward position with almost his entire range since V1 is very likely to just shove it and then you can shove over the top, so if he just flats, he's probably throwing away his money unless he wants to call it all off (briefly consider how much it sucks to be V2 with QQ/JJ here - raise, re-raise, shove, re-shove for 350bb ... do you want to call with QQ there? 3b definitely gets folds from better, yay). given that V1 is on monkey tilt, we don't expect a lot of folds and I'm always happy to be able to give some action to the guy.

on to the flop ...

you have to raise the lead by V1 and are happy to stack off against him. the question is what to do when you get called by V2. first off, V2 should never be 3betting here so his call certainly includes both hands that beat you and hands that don't, though it's arguable whether he would call with a worse K in this spot. your OP implies he will call with more than usual 8x and 6x hands and straight draws. based on description he also has all of the 2pair combos and 88, 66. personally, I think he's more likely to fold his 1 pair hands given the situation with V1. again this is why the PF 3b is crucial because it makes K8/K6/86 much less likely holdings for him.

If V2 is going to call the V1 shove, then I actually favor a pot control line. it's hard to think he's going to want to get it in for this much money against 2 players with KQ or KJ. either he's straight gambling with 8x, 6x, SD or he has you beat on the flop. also V1 likely has at least 10% equity against you as well and can possibly have AA/AK/88/etc.

all that to say ... a pot size raise when action is to you is 160. after the bet V1 should have about 185 left in his stack. if you make it 138 in this case (assuming exactly 250, though you should tailor the bet size to the actual stack) then a shove by V1 won't re-open betting. though V2 should never be raising over you, it is a nightmare if he does (his value hands always have you beat and so he should actually be taking this line with worse though he may not realize that). you want to make the minimum bet that forces him to commit to V1's stack right away, and if he chooses to flat, you don't want to allow him the option to squeeze you after you call V1's shove.

on the turn ...

really bad turn for TPTK. if he had the 8x or 6x hand we hoped for he at least picked up outs and his most likely 8x hand is 89 (A8 is discounted by you having an A).

also, we are now in a 300+bb pot with 1 pair. in general these are the spots we are looking to put our opponents in with better than 1 pair. you're certainly good at least some of the time, and depending on the assumptions you make about how often he calls flop light, you may even be in a nice +EV situation. however, in general it's hard to want to put another 200+bb into the pot with 1 pair and feel like you're really playing winning poker.

check/evaluate turn. check/evaluate river.

Who said anything about being scared of V2's range? That's exactly why you need to 3bet and iso him. AKo plays way better HU than multi-way, especially against that range.

No one is saying V1 definitely spiked his gutshot. But what on earth makes you think that he's just trying to outplay you? You seem to either not notice or not care that V1 cold called a bet and raise on the flop. What do you think his range is at that point? And then how do you further narrow his range when he c/jams a decently innocuous turn card?

Hint - it's got AK crushed.

Nice reply paradroid, I actually think I've learnt something.

I played it completely wrong. Such a shame cause I was playing very good.

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thanks

curious about results ...

Because I think you're overestimating my opponents. Yesterday game was mental.

This guy on tilt went off getting stacked on the flop with mid pair when he called a 250bb raise allin on a KT4, his opponent had top set. Flop was like 40 euro, Chinese guy pushes his entire stack and tilt guy snaps with T9s.

The other guy I had involved in my hand called 200 euro turn bet with 35o on 438K and hit his 5 on the river lol.



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These are important things that need to be in the initial post. "a bit spazzy but he knows what he's doing, he likes to rely on his implied odds and can call big bets to make random two pairs" is not the same as "called 200 euro turn bet with 35o on 438K." (Knowing pot & stacks that hand would help too.) Obviously if he puts in 100bb with 9th pair and hates money, that affects how we should play this hand.

Anyway monkey tilt guy shows 57s for a straight (lol)

Crazy guy showed K9o. (Doublelol)

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Easiest 3 bet of your life pre - lose €250 to the spot, everyone laughs and the game just got better. Next hand.

If you wanted to see the results.

Everyone already pointed out that you weren't 800BB deep and stacking off with TP isn't a good idea against two villains. The other leak I noticed is that you seem to be equating winning with playing well. They aren't the same thing. Probably the best session I ever played was when I lost $40. Given the mistakes in this hand, you were simply lucky that session.

Your assume I said I was playing well because I was winning? Wow.

Anyway no, I played well cause I did some stuff I don't usually do hence I felt my game improving.

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There is no reason to raise the flop. You have one pair on a dry board. If you want value from a weaker king you can check call flop and turn and decide what to do on the river.

You are bloating the pot with one pair while playing deepstacked. Don't risk your stack over one pair.