2-5nl 8 handed

Preflop
Hero SB (1100) with 75
Folded to V1 (Older guy TAG) in MP makes it $15.
Folded to V2 BTN (Similar to V1, maybe more passive) calls.
Hero calls in SB, BB calls.

Flop (60): 643
Hero checks. BB folds. V1 in MP makes it 40/360. V2 OTB pauses and makes it 140/510. Hero?

Fold pre.

(Seriously. This is a late position hand... it's a very common and significant leak to be playing this kind of hand out of position, even deep, even against passive opponents).

Check/rip it in on the flop now.

As a general rule in poker, it's good to wager all of your betting units when you have the best possible hand.

Hate the preflop call, love the flop check. I sometimes play suited gappers, but only voluntarily on the button, or cutoff.

Could use some player reads, but in a vacuum, call the 140. Where it gets tricky is what to do the next time the action is on you. Given the action, there are a lot of turn cards that will suck (a heart that isn't a 4, or any pair).

Fold pre.

What's your question?
Are you going to fold the nuts with amazing blockers to the flush draw?

Just shove and hope for two calls.
Don't see any reason to just call.

Don’t think V2 is bluffing so he’ll probably call your shove. Someone tell BB not to fold to no action on a bad beat jackpot board, it could void it.

And definitely fold pre, this is a massive leak

As has been said, fold pre. Or 3b if your strat thinks a random bluff here is timely.

Yay for getting this flop. And yay for getting two Vs who clearly want it too. 49% for you if you're facing a set and the NFD, BTW.

Given that, I dunno whether we just want to call the 140, or click it back to 240. Which would allow the action to reopen should V1 then shove.

Shoving might look bluffy too, and hopefully get looked up.

A "random" 3b bluff is never timely.
You use hands with blockers like A5s, K7s, ... you NEVER do this with a random hand.
Unless you have reliable live reads villain is weak and will fold.

+1

If the MP is playing more than 20% of the hands and raising over 75% of the time when entering a pot, a 3 bet is a decent play. However, that player is pretty rare in LLSNL.

Disagree. While dropping the probability of the field having your blocker by 1/4 is quite nice, solely limiting your bluffing range to things like AXo, KXs, makes you more predictable than also including things like SCs and suited 1 and 2 offs. Assuming any Vs are even paying attention to what you do and 3b with, of course.

Moreover---and this should be very applicable for the deep games you've posted here---SCs and one-offs are the sort of speculative hand that can pay off deep. Though true, it's tougher to do it OOP, and there are large RIO concerns if the FD comes in.

Certainly it goes in the trash most times. I'm not sure I could get it through the two described Vs, PF in the OP. And when we don't, we usually don't flop well enough to continue. I'm merely objecting to the "never" portion of your statement.

Agree with last couple of posts. There are times before I look at my cards where I know I’m 3b with any broadways or suited connectors/1 gap. Sometimes it’s a good spot for a variety of reasons

Lot's of fancy words, but that doesn't make any of it true.

GTO never 3bets 75s from the SB, not even against a BTN open.
That is 100bb deep, might be different for these effective stacks, but I think 3betting deeper is an even bigger mistake.

If you want to balance, at least go with suited connectors, GTO uses 98s, 87s and 76s mostly.

We actually should almost never be 3 betting against an EP/MP open from the SB.

I am using simplified GTO ranges, so maybe it does use 75s a very small percentage of the time.


I did mention a reliable live read can change this.

Lead flop

I think calling/shoving are both fine.

How do they see you? If you are active, just shove now and hope it looks as if you are drawing/bluffing or that they have hands they can't fold.

If you are usually tight, calling is OK, especially if you get the vibe V1 will shove.

Results.

4 way I'm going to lead this flop. As played, make it $420 all day.