Wynn 1/3

I'm new to the table (3 hands) but have figured out that seat 6 and seat 1 are regs because they have talked to each other and know dealers names etc. I have also played with seat 6 for about an hour before and he was very ABC and his bet sizings were pretty indicative of his hand strength.

V1 : $180 middle aged Asian guy who has bought in for $100 4 times already and plays very ABC/tight post flop, but a LITTLE bit loose pre

V2 : $800 young white guy with a big stack who looks very comfortable FWIW

Hero : $750 new to the game, young white guy

2 limps in EP V1 makes it $10 from the CO I flat OTB with 78hh V2 3b from SB to $40 V1 quickly folds I flat

1) we're deep and I'm IP

2) this isn't the kind of hand that gets me stacked when I flop a pair

3) my hand is decently disguised and I can represents lot of small PPs very credibly

4) more reasons

Flop ($90) Th 6d 4s

He checks i bet $60 he calls

I decide to bet because

1) I have 8 high

2) I give up all possibility of FE later in the hand if I check here IMO

Turn ($210) 9d

He checks I bet $120 he calls

River ($450) Jd

He checks I bet $230 with $170 behind

I had a discussion with a couple friends who thought my call pre was bad and the rest of the hand was questionable. So I am mainly asking for ore flop advice here but critiques on the rest of the hand would be welcomed

I will post results after a few responses

Pre is meh. I realize it's an obvious squeeze, and he can't be thrilled that you called. Rest seems fine.

NH. I bet turn bigger and shove river, but your line is good, imo.

I don't like calling when V1 folds but your flop play is good. I'd bet more on the turn because you're disguised and you want to extract value.

Does he tend to give up on hands when he doesn't c-bet the flop? If so then I like your line. In agreement for a bigger turn bet with the goal to get stacks in on the river. Otherwise if he shows aggression at signs of weakness then I don't mind a check back on the flop. When we miss we haven't committed a big percentage of our stack, and we can make him feel pot committed when we do hit our hand and get paid off a higher frequency of the time. Is this not a correct play against a reg like that?

Nice hand.

PF is fine to me. V2 is very capable of making a move (assuming your read is on) and that's a fine spot for a squeeze. His checking/calling on the flop makes me think he got caught in his squeeze and doesn't want to push further but he's got some piece of it or overs with a backdoor draw or something.

Turn is odd. He's not check calling with two overs any more and if he called with air on the flop to set up a turn play (and OOP this isn't likely) he didn't make it. Still keeps hands like AK/AQdd in the mix I guess.

+1

Thanks for the comments so far!

Ok now I would like to slightly change the OP

I learned, after the fact, that V2 is considered one of the best 1/3 regs in the casino (brag/beat?) so now assume he is A very good, thinking player. Does this change how you play the hand?

Bet turn a touch bigger. 140-150. Shove riv.

He should be cbetting all his air. V's line is pretty strange. 3bet sizing is a little small considering he is OOP and you guys are pretty deep.

He should be capped at 1 pair and it feels like he just wants to get to showdown. No pairs really make sense tho. Unless he is just going to pot control and station down with overpairs because he pegs you as over-agro. Stange line, I would love to see what he has

Makes river shove more mandatory, as it's more polarized in his mind, imo.

Makes me more likely to fold pre, thats for sure.

Don't call pre without better reads. It's not a bad spot, I just like reads before getting fancy like this.

As played, not getting it in by the river is criminal. Bet turn more, shove river.

+1.

Pre is whatever. People shouldn't harp too much. You're getting 2 to 1 immediate and 20ish to 1 implied. Not to mention the number of times you bluff him off the best hand because you have position.

What read exactly?


As for the hand, am I missing something or 40+60+120+230+170 = $620?

I think that calling the button vs a shortstack open cannot be justified as you assume that it'll also get called by someone who covers (i.e., you would have folded if V1 opens for $40). When you get raised it actually make sense to call, although you need to be certain that you'll get paid off at least somewhere around ten time the bet (which isn't the case at all; villain could be able to make a big fold). I think also that these arguments actually become stronger if we know that V2 is a thinking player.

All in all, why not raise PF right away? 30-ish? If you get called itb that'll give odds to V1, if you get raised you can reevaluate/fold(imo).

pre is a lil bad.....lots of times you are going to be lighting 40 on fire unless think you can outplay him.

flop.....I don't see any problem....you flopped a double gutter....that has tons of equity.

turn.....ding ding ding.....value town

river.... don't like the sizing.....either underbet that is sure to get called, and give him enough room to CR bluff you. something like 135.....like you are scared of diamonds.

or shove river for 400. like you are on a bluff.

but 230 let's him get away .....assuming that he has what he is repping...QQ+

This is a really weird thread in my mind. I really don't understand most of the responses. There's so many combos of hands we're behind.

What do we have the 3rd best one-card straight?

I doubt Villain is folding QQ (the second nut straight) here and I really doubt he's calling with KK or AA when he loses to any 8, Q or flush.

Wow, so I assume you can BI deep to this game? As much as I'm always the guy that constantly maintains to have our stack topped off at all times, that's usually for "just" 100bbs. At an unknown table, I wonder if we should actually BI for just 100bbs until we get more of a handle on the table? Course, I also suck at deepstack, so there's that.

I guess I also call the original raise, but it's not a slam dunk for me. I think I'd much rather have this flop going multiways, and at this point there's a good chance it just goes HU. Still, if the opener is super bad and his hand super obvious, we're getting a decent price to stack him. I also call the unexpected 3bet for all the reasons you list. The only downside is that we don't really know if this guy is 3betting a wide range (in which case he isn't going to pay off all the time when we bink), or whether he has a narrow 3betting range (in which case he is going to pay off when we bink). We also don't know if this guy is terrible or not (the more terrible he is, the more we can call here).

Does anyone who 3bets preflop check/fold the flop? I kinda don't think so. I might just take my free card here. If I was to bet, I might be super small in order to give myself good odds to chase if his check/raise size is poor, but then again, this guy kinda looks like he might know what he's doing. Then again, a small bet might just get called, builds a pot in position with our decent (and well hidden) equity, and might give the option of getting to the river for free. I might just bet $35.

When binking the turn, I want to make sure we play for stacks by the river, plus I want to get some serious money in now before a scare card comes (and there is a lotta scare cards that could come on the river for an overpair, such as an overcard, a 4-to-a-straight, a flush card). I'd bet close to pot (at least $175+). If he has an overpair (his most likely hand, imo) he's going to have a difficult time folding it yet on this street since he showed weakness on the flop by checking, so he might call here to make up his mind on the river.

I wish we hadda bet more on the turn to setup an easy river shove. Now we have more than a ~PSB left so a shove is a little of an overbet. KQ (especially KQdd) did just get there, although do they float the flop? I still think we're looking at an overpair most of the time here, and one of those improved to top set. I think I still just go ahead and go for gold and shove.

GsucksatdeepstackG

Ya, this is my line of thinking too. I think air continues on the flop, while an overpair may just try to go into pot control / go for two streets after showing weakness / etc. Which is why I don't think a flop bet takes the pot too often. But it could get us to the river for cheap, so I don't hate it.

I also had to re-read the OP a couple of times as due to formatting it might look like there is 4-to-a-straight on board; there isn't (that "8" in the OP is his referring to his 8 high, it ain't a card on the board). So QQ is just an overpair here.

You misread the HH. On the river, board is T649J with 3 diamonds (which came out runner-runner).

$160 turn/shove river. V either has something to pay you off with or he doesn't, so going half pot/half pot is probably losing value. Who is V? Any physical description? I've been playing at Wynn a lot the past few weeks, just curious. There's like 3-5 solid LAG regs that can be tough and the rest are a bunch of ABC nits.

I more than likely do the same thing. If there were two hearts on the board I am way more inclined to bet it. Free cards are cool, yo. V very well could have an OP here and against it we only have 36% equity. Would hate to get c/r'd off that much equity. Don't overplay it IMO.

AP'd I probably just jam the river.

Free cards are cool, but the point of betting the flop is to gain fold equity on the turn and/or river.

I like OP's play on all streets except river, I think I'm just shoving there.

Has FE... But expects V to call two streets and a shove OTR... Let's think about this for a second.