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12-05-2013 , 12:26 AM
1/2 9 Handed

Hero gets dealt 76 UTG and calls $2/$550. 2 more callers, and late MP player (a "good" standard TAG pre-flop, makes it $20/$300). Folded to BTN (Spewy loose passive player pre-flop who is tilting a bit) calls $20/$150. Hero calls? $18 more.

Flop ($67)

925

Hero Bets $20?. MP TAG raises to $100. Spewy folds.

Hero?

Appreciate comments on all streets.
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12-05-2013 , 12:27 AM
fold pre for $2 ... don't play SCs OOP.
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12-05-2013 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
fold pre for $2 ... don't play SCs OOP.
saw title and was about to post the exact same...

AP PF: fold to 18$ raise
AP OF: bet more, maybe 45$
AP OF after raise: shove, villian most likely has a high PP with club
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12-05-2013 , 12:29 AM
Fold pre for $20 with 300 effective. As played shove.
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12-05-2013 , 12:34 AM
Might be wrong but I think this is a flop pre flop.

8% of our stack, against a 'good' tag who is opening huge pretty much declaring a big PP, but maybe I just don't like playing OOP that much.

I think we should plan to get it in here. It's just a question of how.
I think either flat the flop and jam all non club turns, or click it back to $200 here can both be good.
If you flat there's $267 in the pot and V has ~$180 left so it's an easy 2/3 pot jam, but you risk a club falling likely giving you the worst hand.
Jam over the flop is less than a pot sized raise also but it looks pretty strong.
50/50 I think.
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12-05-2013 , 12:52 AM
Pretty much agree with the advice in this thread. Fold PF, SCs don't play well OOP since they usually flop draws rather then made hands (in contrast to small PPs, which play fine OOP since they either flop a set or nothing).

As played, jam over the flop raise, villain's range should be bigger flushes, big PPs, sets and hands like AcKx.
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12-05-2013 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by RAHZero
As played, jam over the flop raise, villain's range should be bigger flushes, big PPs, sets and hands like AcKx.
For the record it doesn't take too many combinations of better flushes in his range for this to become very unprofitable for us to gii here.

I'm pretty sure against the range of AcKc, AcQc, AAxc, KKxc, QQxc, 99, 2-3 combos of AcXx we are not doing that well against it.
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12-05-2013 , 01:13 AM
Most V's are not raising to $20 pre and then 5x'ing the flop donk with a big flopped flush.
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12-05-2013 , 02:09 AM
Shove.
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12-05-2013 , 02:32 AM
Fold pre, 76s is too weak to play oop profitably at most tables. I think I would c/r flop. As played I would call, villain probably has an overpair + fd. You could be up against KQs or AKs so evaluate turn action.
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12-05-2013 , 02:53 AM
Fold pre everywhere. I like the weak lead if you expect V to lol repot all his overpairs here. Defaulting to c/c + c/r line against most TAGgy villains though. Flatting here almost looks scarier than a jam, so let 'er rip.
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12-05-2013 , 09:06 AM
Getting on the train. Fold preflop easy. This is a perfect example of disregard for position. #1 leak of LLSNL players IMO.

Ship it in as played.
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12-05-2013 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Getting on the train. Fold preflop easy. This is a perfect example of disregard for position. #1 leak of LLSNL players IMO.

Ship it in as played.
Ditto + 'pray for red cards that don't pair board. Or 8'
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12-05-2013 , 01:34 PM
I don't like the limp UTG. As played I dislike the donk bet, I would prefer a check raise. You are obv never folding this flop and I don't like a call, I think a shove is the best play
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12-05-2013 , 03:18 PM
Dont like the limp call (cant say I havnt done it though!! easy fold if whiff) ... you could have raised PF though to have control of the betting on the Flop regardless if you hit or not. This is not a long term wise play though ... but I would tend to do it against this exact type of opponent since you can steal pots on boards like this with the right image.

As played I shove, you may get a fold, be ahead or have 1 out!! The only hands to worry about are AK/AQs but you are ahead of all pp/AcXx right now. GL
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12-05-2013 , 03:45 PM
Only read your title.

No.
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12-05-2013 , 04:50 PM
I don't think you donked small to induce but somehow got the dream action behind you.

I'd make it more like 45-50 otf. The preflop stuff is most noticeable and easily fixed. Understanding and knowing to bomb flops like this is the deeper part of the hand.
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12-05-2013 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Most V's are not raising to $20 pre and then 5x'ing the flop donk with a big flopped flush.
Unless he has KQ or QJ and doesn't want to see another club.

Or if has a brain and has the nuts and realizes OP has what he has ... a baby flush that can't find a fold button.
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12-05-2013 , 05:41 PM
small/med SC's are over rated. especially out of position. especially UTG.

as played, check-out on the flop. (jk) donk closer to pot. your weak $20 bet is screaming draw. He probably has Ac or Kc and thinks he has a higher draw. A good standard TAG won't raise a made higher flush, unless it's below nuts like 10cJc. But the odds alone of two people flopping a flush is pretty low.

Last edited by Playbig2000; 12-05-2013 at 05:48 PM. Reason: terms of service
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12-05-2013 , 05:48 PM
Seems like an easy fold pre. As played your small bet got him to raise, your decision seems obvious. Shove all in, what were you expecting to flop with 67s?
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12-05-2013 , 05:54 PM
Villain has a high pocket pair with a club. Shove and watch only red cards fall.
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12-05-2013 , 05:55 PM
I actually think the biggest mistake was the $20 lead. Just check/raise all in.
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12-05-2013 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Only read your title.

No.
lol this.

I thought the same thing.
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12-05-2013 , 06:09 PM
Gotta agree with Mr_Doomed

What is the reason for playing this hand PF if you are not going to get it in when you make your flop?

Like everyone else, I'm folding PF, but since you didn't and we made a hand you must be aggressive. V probably has an overpair with a club. He might have AcKc, which would suck.
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12-05-2013 , 07:21 PM
Somebody should do a COTM on "things that seem like a good idea at limit, that are really bad ideas at no-limit." Would have saved me a bundle over the last couple years. These small sc's are fun on the button, especially on the rare occasions when you show down and get to watch the villain's head explode. But in general, it's hard to make money with these things in NLHE. Limit is another matter, partially because it's unusual to get severely punished for limping them in early position. Partially because you're way more likely to get priced in for a straight draw. Partially because the action doesn't shut down as much when the flush cards fall.

Watch out for those tight players open-raising in middle position. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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