$2/$3 $300 effective. V in question is a loose passive fish. Have seen him check/fold after limp/calling pre a ton. Button & I have a ton of history & there’s blood to be paid.

67hh in the SB, button makes it $20 over a few limpers including V who’s is in the HJ. We 3! To $90, V cold calls ($300 effective) enemy folds.

Flop ($206)
Th 7d 3c

We check/call $125.

Turn 5h

He shoves for $148. We call...


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This is a super easy fold pre. You hate life if anyone calls this squeeze and you will end up in a tiny SPR pot OOP to the field with a garbage hand.


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I know pre as per the masses is bad. Wanting to know how we should play post on this particular board. On boards like AKx it’s a easy bet/fold & any boards with better equity ie flush draws/straight draws we can perhaps bet GII. But here we flopped middle pair no kicker against a really week range. Thoughts?


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Sounds like tilt. Don't play poker if you are going in the the attitude that there's "blood to be paid."

Flop is just continued tilt/spew. Either bet out or x/f when you miss.

* confirmed spew

I played with a guy just like you. He would lose a big pot and make it personal and would spew more chips to get back at that guy.......usually someone else picks up or makes a big hand and stacks him.....guy lost over $1500.....AT A 1-2 GAME

That said, there is no reason to ever 3-bet to 30% of the preflop raiser effective stack with a medium suited connector OOP. That's spew.

Given the dry T-high board, you needed to either bet the flop (which should just be a shove since V has about $273 behind and the pot is $200 after the preflop action)....or you check and give up. You said that the V is loose and passive.....he isn't betting $125 on the flop without a good hand....one that beats your pair of 7s....you should have folded to the flop bet, and you REALLY need to fold on the turn. I hope you won, but it's likely V had QQ, JJ or a set.

How does he ever have JJ-QQ here? He limped called in the HJ pre... as played, when we turn Pair + FD we are calling $148 into in $604. Pretty sure it’s a clear call, we have 33% against any one pair hand that we are currently behind of.


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Sorry I thought V was on the button and not the HJ, and I forgot that you turned the FD. Not reading well today.

Yes, you're priced into the call on the turn. But you definitely should have folded on the flop.

What range do you give V when he limp/ cold calls pre in the HJ? On T73 what hands are we specifically behind of? As mentioned I believe this particular Player never shows up with JJ+ & very rarely suited broadways. So I think he has 22-88 here almost always. & since we Block 77 we only loose to 33/88?


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I don’t like the way u played this hand.

First we aren’t really deep enough to make this play... we just put much % of our stack in pre so we won’t have the ability to out maneuver post.

Also we are out of position against a player we have history with... so we should expect to get played back at some % of this time and our hand can’t take the heat.

Also why on earth are we check/calling a weak hand against a PASSIVE player??

Ah yikes u hit gin on the turn I guess call it off

The turn is not the decision point to be focusing on imo

Agreed, neither is pre. It boils down to the flop play. Do we cbet/fold check/call check/fold? Agreed against this particular players style “loose passive” the $125 screams fold, but I couldn’t put him on manny hands that beat us...


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You should listen to this advice. Especially the part about not being deep enough. You can’t make these kinds of plays profitably when you’re only 100bb deep. You’re just going to end up spewing like you did here more often than not.

Pre is absolutely the street you should be worried about here. Not the flop. You put yourself in a horribad spot by 3!ing pre here. Pre is where you are making your biggest mistake.

So we have 0 bluffs when we 3bet pre flop?


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You can still have 3! bluffs pre. But SB is a terrible position to choose to do it in. And 6-7 (even suited) 100bb deep is a terrible hand/stack to do it with.
You can listen or not. I really don’t care. I’m just telling you with 100% certainty that this is spew at its finest.

Just bet the flop, you have the nuts

The only rationale for the 3b to 30% of stacks with 76hh from SB in the OP was:

"Button & I have a ton of history & there’s blood to be paid."

Ok, cool... what's his opening range? What's our perceived 3b range? If you post a vague reason like that for a huge 3b bluff, yes, people are rightly going to question it.

I'm confused. Your logic seems to be conflicted. If you felt you were actually ahead with 67 why are you checking? Most turns will be bad and the SPR is already super low. We are lucky to connect at all with this flop if we think we are good then why check. If we do check and the passive player blasts away how do we call? Are we now saying the passive guy is bluffing because he shouldn't have called pre with any Tx (even though he's described as loose) and there aren't many combos of sets? IMO both flop and pre are spew. Turn you're priced in, good luck.

as far as not having bluffs pre in the sb in a small stakes live game going to somehow hurt you i cant see that.

first they call to much so bluffs dont cut it.

and second few if any think back more than a few hands and so what if they now dont call you knowing you dont bluff. most oop position raises you are happy when no one calls.

Unless this is an early April Fools joke thread, if you're going to do this (e.g. call off your entire stack with 2nd pair bad kicker), probably just shove flop yourself and keep repping a big overpair.

That's your only chance of getting any additional equity and winning at showdown.

Sure, there may be some naked AKs from V here once in a blue moon, but speaking to the general low stakes population, JJ is the bottom of his range here. I think it's also the only hand you can realistically hope to fold out.

Pre is where you went wrong, well that and your mindset of course. You don’t punish loose passive fish by getting yourself committed with 7 high like a button mashing spew monkey. You punish them by widening your pure value range and beating them to death because they never learned the kicker lesson.

true, teach them the kicker lesson. nice way to put it.

That’s right.


Well... not in the traditional sense. The hands to bluff with are the best hands value hands that u would fold. So u might consider ATs for ex


Personally I would play 3bet or fold here. (I guess u can exploit flat some smaller pps to set mine)

Given that u play 3bet or fold tho I would just take the % of hands u want to 3bet and then just take the corresponding best hands. So if u decide ur gonna 3bet 5% here then just 3bet the top 5% of hands.

IE no need to polarize
IE no need to play 67s

ALSO! In low SPR pots u wanna make strong pairs first and foremost. It’s only in deeper SPR that u need to make straights and flushes.