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08-25-2019 , 08:42 AM
We are in a very loose/good game during WSOP time at Bellagio. We are sitting with $900 or so (and so far have just been playing ABC Tag and it's working just fine since we are getting dealt fairly well).

Villain in the hand is a Vegas reg who isn't LAG but not tight - maybe more of a weak passive I guess you'd say. We cover his stack in this hand (he's got like $650 maybe)

Hero is in the BB with: 65

UTG+2 opens to $20, V calls, and 3 other players in late position all call, SB folds and Hero sticks in the $15 to complete in the BB with $107 already in there getting like 7 to 1. The late position players are all straightforward recs/regs (no one is aggro or overly competent). OTTH....

Flop ($122)

23K

Checks to V who bets $25, late position players all fold, and I call in the BB, UTG +2 then folds also (I will be honest, at this point I am just thinking about how I am going to win this pot at any cost lol but I digress)

Turn ($172)

5

V checks, Hero bets $125, V calls.

River ($422)

9

Hero checks, Villian bets $150, Hero?


Comments on all streets appreciated - especially at the end now that it's 150 to win 572 etc
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08-25-2019 , 08:50 AM
I think check-raising the flop here makes alot of sense. We have piles of equity with our combodraw, but at the same time we have 6 high and thus absolutely zero showdownvalue. This hand i believe we need to play fast at a decent portion of the time and generate some fold equity along the way to make money long term.

I am making it 100-125 on the flop, and firing a big bet on almost any turn if i get called in one spot.

Nutflushdraw or the K high flushdraw makes alot more sense as flats in my opinion.
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08-25-2019 , 08:55 AM
Flop is a good bluff spot. We have lots of equity, only 1 opponent showing interest, and V isn't showing too much strength with his tiny bet, barely more than the preflop raise size. I'm making it 120 or so.

Looks like you miswrote the turn action. I'm assuming you checked, villain bet $125, and you called. This could again be a bluff opportunity, I see lots of 2/5 players play KT/KJ/KQ this way to "protect" then snap fold to the turn raise. I also don't necessarily give him credit for a set, he'd likely bet more on the flop or slowplay it. Your mileage may vary. Calling is fine too.

On the river, what do you beat? Your pot odds are great, but we beat no value hands, and it's hard to put him on a bluff when he bets 3 streets, especially ramping up the sizing on the turn. Fold
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08-25-2019 , 08:56 AM
I would not donk lead this turn..and if I did then I would follow up on river to continue the story.

As played hes going to have alot of Kx with that river sizing so folding majority of the time is probably best

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08-25-2019 , 08:56 AM
How did you bet the turn after villain checked if you are the BB? Then on the river you are OOP again?

PS...lead the flop or check raise the flop. Check/calling the flop is exactly the opposite of "looking to win this pot at any cost"
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08-25-2019 , 09:07 AM
I hate how small V has been betting here. This feels like a weak KXs that wanted to put out a feeler bet/play pot control and got what he wanted and knows he is good here.
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08-25-2019 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
I think check-raising the flop here makes alot of sense. We have piles of equity with our combodraw, but at the same time we have 6 high and thus absolutely zero showdownvalue. This hand i believe we need to play fast at a decent portion of the time and generate some fold equity along the way to make money long term.

I am making it 100-125 on the flop, and firing a big bet on almost any turn if i get called in one spot.

Nutflushdraw or the K high flushdraw makes alot more sense as flats in my opinion.
with a combo with a gutshot to the nuts given the action i dislike checkraising the majority of the time. if we get repopped it really sucks. the equity we have against a range that will 3bet our checkraise is pretty poor. our range here can also be super wide on the flop when we call so i think we should be looking to checkraise a lot of turns instead vs this flop sizing. as the BB we're most likely to have 22, 33, K2s K3s given the action. we're also going to have A4s, A5s, 64s, 45s. there are very few turns that are bad for our turn checkraise range. i would call flop make it $275 turn and jam river.
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08-25-2019 , 10:15 AM
This hand history is not right. You can't act last if you are the BB and Villain is not the SB.

Flop is always a XR vs 1/5 cbet sizing. XR frequencies go up vs smaller cbet sizings.
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08-25-2019 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
This hand history is not right. You can't act last if you are the BB and Villain is not the SB.

Flop is always a XR vs 1/5 cbet sizing. XR frequencies go up vs smaller cbet sizings.
flop bet was not a cbet but a villain who called a standard open pf who is now firing into 5 opponents. our read is also that villain is passive but not tight. we're going to need a large x/r size to blow him off whatever he has and if pf raiser now 3bets or we get 3bet by V in this spot it is absolute puke.

we can have such a wide range of hands that flat vs this small sizing that i like a turn checkraise here. particularly with the gutshot to the nuts i think this is our best bluff hand to checkraise the turn with.

we are most likely to have a deuce or tray here from the BB, on a 4 we make the nuts, on a 5 or 6 we likely pick up more outs or take the lead, 7, 8, 9 are all bricks, TJQ don't change that much. there are many more turns that improve our perceived range than there are objectively bad turns.

i like a flat here and then x/r the turn then jam the river unless the king pairs. we're going to have a LOT of gutterballs and flush draws here that can flat the flop. if we make our flush on the turn and it goes check/check we can lead for $200 on the river and do the same with some of our missed gutters for balance.
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08-25-2019 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ProRailbird
with a combo with a gutshot to the nuts given the action i dislike checkraising the majority of the time. if we get repopped it really sucks. the equity we have against a range that will 3bet our checkraise is pretty poor. our range here can also be super wide on the flop when we call so i think we should be looking to checkraise a lot of turns instead vs this flop sizing. as the BB we're most likely to have 22, 33, K2s K3s given the action. we're also going to have A4s, A5s, 64s, 45s. there are very few turns that are bad for our turn checkraise range. i would call flop make it $275 turn and jam river.
I dont mind your line either of flatting flop and putting the pressure in on the turn.

Still like check/raising flop though, so i guess we have to agree to disagree on that matter.

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08-25-2019 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Petrucci
I dont mind your line either of flatting flop and putting the pressure in on the turn.

Still like check/raising flop though, so i guess we have to agree to disagree on that matter.

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we have so much more equity with the nut flush draws against the range that continues vs a x/r, and so many of them, that I think we should be x/r on the flop only those hands+54hh and K2s/K3s. i think the 4 extra outs we have with 54hh just really is the pip here between flatting and x/r the flop, we also block both A4hh and A5hh which gives us less worry about going up against the nut fd with our hand.
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08-25-2019 , 01:21 PM
$125-130 check raise otf and betting any turn 70% pot.
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08-25-2019 , 01:22 PM
My bad guys - on the turn I checked, V bet 125 and I called.
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08-25-2019 , 09:54 PM
I'd like to c/r this turn. I don't see him using this teeny tiny sizing on the flop with a set, so he's nearly always capped at one pair.
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08-25-2019 , 10:30 PM
Who is the Villain? UTG+2? The action is somewhat unclear.

Please raise flop. You have tons of equity and his sizing doesn't scream strength.

The donk bet on the turn is ~terrible after x/calling the flop. What are you even representing? Turned 2-pair? 64ss? I feel like you'd probably/r those hands.

x/r flop or x/r turn. I think we took the nut low worst line here.

Just fold river. Yes, his line looks weak but so does ours. We're going to have a very hard time representing anything after taking a weird line for 3 streets on a wet board. Our value range here is very narrow and the obvious draw bricked out.

If we raise river, I expect to get heroed quite often from 1-pair hands. So just fold.
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08-26-2019 , 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by krilleater
Who is the Villain? UTG+2? The action is somewhat unclear.

Please raise flop. You have tons of equity and his sizing doesn't scream strength.

The donk bet on the turn is ~terrible after x/calling the flop. What are you even representing? Turned 2-pair? 64ss? I feel like you'd probably/r those hands.

x/r flop or x/r turn. I think we took the nut low worst line here.

Just fold river. Yes, his line looks weak but so does ours. We're going to have a very hard time representing anything after taking a weird line for 3 streets on a wet board. Our value range here is very narrow and the obvious draw bricked out.

If we raise river, I expect to get heroed quite often from 1-pair hands. So just fold.
OP already stated he made a mistake in his HH. He checked the turn and villain bet 125.
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