Hi all,

Seems like an pretty basic question but need advice. It is a 1/3 game best player at the table is to my immediate left (I requested a seat change immediately after this hand) 1/3 game that is tougher than average

H: playing super tight had AA 3x in a row (insane!!!!) has roughly 60bb. I've been getting exploited by two very good players and any time I check they will bet. So I've been exploiting them by check raising a ton of marginal hands (need to work on this)

V: Best player super aggro has like 200BB. Plays live for a living

OTTH: Action folds to hero with 55 in the cutoff. I raise to 12. Button calls. Blinds fold.

Flop: J 8 3 rainbow. I bet 15 he raises to 30

Hero? I think he could raise to "see where he's at. Since i've been playing so tight im assuming he thinks there are not many Jacks and 8's in my range. How should the rest of this hand go?

The way to play against someone who bets whenever you check to them is to check call down with your marginal and value hands. Check raising marginal hands is pretty bad IMO. Marginal hands want to see showdown for a cheap as possible. You should check raise your value hands and your draws (bluffs) if you want to play aggressive. 60BB is too short to run many bluffs, so I would prefer just calling down with the marginal and made hands and folding all but the best draws. In this hand, you have 55. I would check this flop and fold to a bet. As played, I would just fold.. You are barely ahead of his bluffs and crushed by his made hands, so it's not a good spot to take a stand. It's also not a good spot to bluff raise because if you get called you are drawing to a 2 outer.

Basically this. I would only disagree in that I don't mind your cbet. You're not going to fold out better, but it doesn't hurt to get overcards to fold. With $15 into about $24, your cbet only has to work about 39% of the time. On this dry flop, I think it will.

Once you get raised here, you should give up. I get the desire to push back if you're getting raised a lot, but there are better hands to do it with.

I kinda disagreeing with your opinions.

whenever you c bet onto this dry board there's not many hands that can raise your c-bet. If the villain is a good player like the hero thinks, he shouldn't be raising a lone J in this spot. Thinking raiser has no J or 8 in his doesn't mean a whole lot, since he can have all the over pair in his range. So essentially, the raise polarized his hand to 2 pair or better. But what 2 pair does he have? J8s that's it, no JJ for a set as he will re-raise pre most likely. only 88 or 33 which are only 6 combos along with 3 combo of J8s for a total of 9 combos but there's a lot of 9 10s' and gutshots that can raise as a bluff.

I will call his raise and play some turns. Now granted even those hands have huge equity against you. So, I don't hate a fold here. It's just sucks that you have a good player that has position on you!

Floating OOP versus an aggressive player with a very marginal hand is a good way to light money on fire.

fold. you have a lot of other hands where you can 3bet and make him fold good equity, and a lot of hands where you're glad for the cheap price to peel. don't take the raise so personally. also this is just a check fold.

Firstly, find a better adjustment than check-raisin-dem-fools if you think you're Ck-f too much. Also, are you sure you're being exploited when you don't even have a full buy-in in front?

Secondly, as above poster said, ck flop and fold. AP fold

Start checking a lot more OOP. You are likely c-betting too much. Against this type of player I would just never c-bet and check my whole range to him on the flop and go from there.

55 is a check/fold unless he's sizing small. You're drawing thin or guessing on future streets. You have tons of better hands to defend with, like any draw or better pairs. You're not really being exploited for x/f this unless he sizes quite small.

Typical low limit thinking

x/f this flop. If you want to get frisky when you miss, 3bet jamming a flop when you have 2 overs would be way better.

Apparently, everyone here thinks check fold here is the play, then I will say this, if you guys scare to play post flop, then don't even play 55 at all. Because there are no favorable flops for 55 unless you hit set, and that only happens 1 out of 8. I am very comfortable playing post flop, so I can play without actually crushing the flop.

If you have a 60bb stack, you should probably limp or just fold this preflop. 55 doesn't play well post flop so you'll have to give up in a ton of situations.

I would check/call the flop or check/fold depending on the sizing. Betting only gets value from a few straight draws that have good equity anyways. You will be OOP and simply guessing on most turn cards, thus betting doesn't accomplish much other than protecting against a hand like AT.

Also, how do you only have 60bbs after getting AA 3x in a row?

No. First, there are a lot of other more favorable flops for us besides ones where we flop a set, e.g. one with a backdoor or a pair. This is a pretty bad flop for us. Second, we raised in the CO and the button called. That changed the situation a lot into one that's quite unfavorable for us, even before the flop comes down. It's now appropriate to check-fold a significant part of our range. Third, there is no guarantee that the button bets the flop. That means we might be willing to put more money in the pot later, even if we don't hit a set.

I don't understand what you trying to say, we have a pair. Button will call us with a wide range a lot times. We can't play this hand to assume the button will play passively. Again, I'm very comfortable with my post flop plays. To me, this is a standard bet call and play the turn. Now, again, I don't mind a bet fold if you think the button is way better than you and can really outplays you, since whatever he has as a bluff has a lot of equity against you. But to advocate a check fold a small pocket pair with somewhat of a dry flop when you are the aggressor preflop that's just very weak. If that's the case don't play it at all, wait until a better spot.

I love your comment much more than all the previous one, whom all advocate a weak post flop play. I generally hate open limps, but since you advocating a more passive line, then this is much better then raise preflop then fold to any aggression on the flop.

V is probably just running hot. You know, the same way you got dealt AA 3 times in a row?

No good V that plays lol 1/3 for a living is raising a 60BB PF raiser without two-pair+ on a J83 rainbow board.

I don't mind peeling a turn since he made it so cheap and there's some straight draws/gutters in his range. Folding to another bet unless we spike a glorious 5. Also... top up.

Not sure anything you do preflop is going to be profitable. You have the best player at the table sitting to your immediate left who'll have position on you, and that basically trumps anything except for a really good hand, and 55 ain't that. If we limp, he'll probably raise, and setmining HU OOP to him ain't going to be profitable. If we raise, we simply build a bloated pot to him in position for him to steal postflop (since we'll hate most flops). Best move here is most likely to open fold and wait for our seat / table change.

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Am I losing my mind, or had your advice gotten WAY nittier than it used to be.

Open folding 55 in the CO playing 60 BB because the button it's a good player is bizarre advice imo

How is it bizarre advice? OP has already stated that Villain on the Button is the best player at the table / plays for a living, and it sounds like he is one of the two players who are exploiting the OP (and there's no reason to assume he won't attempt to do that again if OP gets involved in this pot). This is a profitable spot?

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you are intimidated by "best players at the table" because you think they're always outplaying you and getting you to do dumb things like defend 55 oop on this flop when 55 is a routine check-fold against anybody at the table.

It is not too bad. 55 is close to the bottom of our range at a tough table. Open-folding it in the CO is probably giving up hardly anything if the BU/BB/SB are all solid. Small pairs really do not play well post-flop.

Table may not be profitable. Opening a sub 10% range from the CO is not the adjustment I'd suggest.

WOW!!!

No wonder so many bad players at these low limits. So many weak advice !!!

Not really. Folding or playing passive might be the least -EV play out of all the options here. The setup for this hand is a complete disaster:

"V: Best player super aggro has like 200BB. Plays live for a living"

"best player at the table is to my immediate left"

"H: playing super tight has roughly 60bb."

"Action folds to hero with 55 in the cutoff"

Is this is good/profitable situation with all of the above info? The table folds to the c/o which from my experience rarely happens in good games. We have a short stack, a marginal hand, and a super agro guy who plays for a living on the button. I would fold and get a table change, limp to try and get a cheap flop, or raise to something like $8 or $10 depending on if the villain is 3betting much. Overall, the setup is such a ****ty spot it's seriously worth considering folding preflop and buying in full at a new table.