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[50NLHE HomeGame] I leveled myself in this hand, I think. [50NLHE HomeGame] I leveled myself in this hand, I think.

05-16-2013 , 02:23 PM
11 handed. 0.25/0.50 home game.

Hero is UTG+2. Stacks are $160 effective.
Main villain is MP2, a LAG player.
Hero's Table Image is "NIT/Aggressive" with a "too high" C-bet frequency.

Hero holds AQ

Blinds post.

UTG (LAG) raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 (HERO/NIT) 3-bets to $7. MP1 folds, MP2 (LAG) calls, fold, fold, HJ calls, fold, UTG calls.

4 players. Pot is $28.25

Flop is QJ8 (TPTK on wet board with flush draw and straight possible)

Hero bets $20, MP2 raises to $45. Fold, Fold, Hero 3-bets to $160AI.(???)
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05-16-2013 , 02:32 PM
If our 3bet is going to end up going 4ways to the flop, I'd much rather just flat it, especially since we're also going to end up OOP to most of the field.

I might just check this flop and see what happens. There's a bunch of hands that are crushing or have awesome draws, I'm not exactly pumped about building this pot even more at this point. If we check and fireworks break out behind us, we can get away for cheap. Otherwise maybe we get to the turn for nothing where the turn card will change our standing drastically.

I think the flop shove is a pretty big spew. Even though we have a cbetty image, we just cbet into 3 opponents; that's strong. Plus we 3bet preflop; that's strong. But this guy just raised the flop with two people still left to react against the preflop 3better on a drawy board; that's hella strong. Even a lotta draw hands are doing awesome against us. If I was betting the flop, it was too fold, even against a laggy guy who sees us a cbetty.

Gspewy,imoG
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05-16-2013 , 02:33 PM
Grunch

Can you range MP2 when he flats your 3bet? Doesn't seem like he should have a whole lot of XXhh type hands in his range, should be more weighed towards PP's. Flop sizing doesn't appear to be that of someone who is drawing... Need more info to give you good advice, but I would probably fold the flop, although my response may be biased due to your thread title which suggests you lost the hand.
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05-16-2013 , 02:36 PM
Thought Process:

Spoiler:
I know in hindsight that I completely screwed up this hand, but here's what I was thinking. I know Villain knows I c-bet often here with hands like AK, AJs, and JJ, and personally, I think his re-raise is a pretty wide range - top two pair, bottom two pair, the straight, sets - sure, they're all in his range here, BUT so are random semi-bluffing hands like 98, T8, JT, any two hearts... And I think I can get a call from JJ, KQ, & AJ. Mainly, my stack size is awkward. I can't call this and let villain draw, because half the time ONE of the draws gets completed, and he's going to have bluff outs. I can't 4-bet/fold, as a 4-bet pot-committs me. So it's either 4-bet/callshove, shove, or fold. I elected to shove.
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05-16-2013 , 02:40 PM
Result:

Spoiler:
Villain had J8 off for bottom two pair. He was a 70% favorite, but I sucked-out with an A on the turn. Was surprised to see villain call one of *my* early position 3-bets with J8 off, but he was right that hitting a monster hand would lead to great implieds. That said, if he's playing J8 off, he's also playing a lot of the draw hands and middle pairs that I thought I was ahead of, no?
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05-16-2013 , 03:07 PM
grunch

looks like a fun game. big RIO spot here. I think that a flop bet/fold is best, since all hands have you beat or have significant equity (if A3hh sigh-calls, it wins close to 40% of the time).
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05-16-2013 , 03:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianBoyko
Thought Process:

Spoiler:
I know in hindsight that I completely screwed up this hand, but here's what I was thinking. I know Villain knows I c-bet often here with hands like AK, AJs, and JJ, and personally, I think his re-raise is a pretty wide range - top two pair, bottom two pair, the straight, sets - sure, they're all in his range here, BUT so are random semi-bluffing hands like 98, T8, JT, any two hearts... And I think I can get a call from JJ, KQ, & AJ. Mainly, my stack size is awkward. I can't call this and let villain draw, because half the time ONE of the draws gets completed, and he's going to have bluff outs. I can't 4-bet/fold, as a 4-bet pot-committs me. So it's either 4-bet/callshove, shove, or fold. I elected to shove.
I think the key thing that comes into play here is that this is a 4way pot and that there are 2 other players still in the hand. Which makes your continuation bet stronger. Which makes his raise enormously strong. Players are just less likely to be making moves in multiway pots like this.

HU, obviously different story.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-16-2013 , 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_124
grunch

looks like a fun game. big RIO spot here. I think that a flop bet/fold is best, since all hands have you beat or have significant equity (if A3hh sigh-calls, it wins close to 40% of the time).
Yeah, this was a stupid move and a leak in my game. NLHE's actually my worst game. (I play mixed.) But mistakes are how we learn.
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05-17-2013 , 06:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bob_124
grunch

looks like a fun game. big RIO spot here. I think that a flop bet/fold is best, since all hands have you beat or have significant equity (if A3hh sigh-calls, it wins close to 40% of the time).
Define RIO?
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05-17-2013 , 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrianBoyko
Result:

Spoiler:
Villain had J8 off for bottom two pair. He was a 70% favorite, but I sucked-out with an A on the turn. Was surprised to see villain call one of *my* early position 3-bets with J8 off, but he was right that hitting a monster hand would lead to great implieds. That said, if he's playing J8 off, he's also playing a lot of the draw hands and middle pairs that I thought I was ahead of, no?
If players are cold-calling light then make your 3bets bigger. 3.5x is around standard online. Make it about $9/10 pre, especially if you're deep, regardless of whether or not other players' opening sizes are too small or not. Then again, you don't want to be bloating pots deep with AQo pre unless your table is really fishy, then it's a profitable as hell move (flop Axx and get worse Ax to pay you off a lot of the time).
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05-17-2013 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by spooner90
Define RIO?
sorry for the lingo. RIO = reverse implied odds. a classic example would be: you raise with AA and see an 567 flop. Your hand now has significant reverse implied odds, since, even though you may be ahead now, you'll lose money on a bunch of bad turns and rivers.
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05-18-2013 , 04:03 PM
Ah of course. Yeah I know that theory already. So many abbreviations for poker haha
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