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Old 07-02-2014, 04:11 PM   #1
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new home game and ive been here now for about 3 hours and i am +about 400 with a total of $800 in front of me.

blinds are 1-2 but min bet of 5 to induce bigger play. villain has been getting beat all night and is a weak fish. he is in for 800, but only has 350 infront of him. he is also one of the other guys that runs the game and its my first time meeting with him and playing with him. he has called everyone of my preflop raises in hopes to trap me and hasnt been successful.

we are 10 handed and its 1-2-5 straddle
everyone limps including villain who is UTG+2 (350)....comes down to me and i look down at
2 red kings KK and i make it 40 on top(800)...folds to villain who instantly calls....everyone else folds

pot is 130... flop comes J63 and i lead out a cbet of $55....villain thinking for 10 seconds and raises making it $150 total (200 behind)....hero??
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:18 PM   #2
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new home game and ive been here now for about 3 hours and i am +about 400 with a total of $800 in front of me.

blinds are 1-2 but min bet of 5 to induce bigger play. villain has been getting beat all night and is a weak fish. he is in for 800, but only has 350 infront of him. he is also one of the other guys that runs the game and its my first time meeting with him and playing with him. he has called everyone of my preflop raises in hopes to trap me and hasnt been successful.

we are 10 handed and its 1-2-5 straddle
everyone limps including villain who is UTG+2 (350)....comes down to me and i look down at
2 red kings KK and i make it 40 on top(800)...folds to villain who instantly calls....everyone else folds

pot is 130... flop comes J63 and i lead out a cbet of $55....villain thinking for 10 seconds and raises making it $150 total (200 behind)....hero??
Your flop bet is way too small.

Otherwise that's great he raised you, now go all in.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:29 PM   #3
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Re: 500nl KK UTG (straddle)

whats a better size flop bet?

also, is it possible that my small flop bet will disguise my big pocket pair, and look like a general cbet to him...therefore inducing him to raise there?
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:35 PM   #4
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Re: 500nl KK UTG (straddle)

I think the flop bet was great to induce heads-up...you got what you wanted, now put him all-in. If he flopped a set...that sucks.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:37 PM   #5
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Re: 500nl KK UTG (straddle)

Villain is 70BB effective.

Are you first to act or last to act?

I assume you are first to act. If so I'm just getting it in.

If I am last to act i'm just going to call and hopefully he bets it all in.

Your flop size is fine (and plenty big enough to get stacks in by the river) - that guy that said its small is just being stupid. You want a weaker hand to call you - so your flop size is great. Any bigger and you might fold out something like 88 or a weak jack. Probably not this villain because he's stuck and seems to be calling anything so you could of made it what ever you wanted but in practice I like your bet.

Any ways this is a very EZ hand to play and doesn't require much thought. villain has 70 BB and you raised $45 pre which was 9BB of his stack. He has 61BB left to play on a jack high flop. You are never folding.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:37 PM   #6
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No. I would bet like $90 OTF. As it is, he stuck over half his stack in by this point, you really think he is raise folding here because you tricked him into stabbing with nothing? Get it in now for value.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:40 PM   #7
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No. I would bet like $90 OTF. As it is, he stuck over half his stack in by this point, you really think he is raise folding here because you tricked him into stabbing with nothing? Get it in now for value.
yes - he would def fold something like 22, 44 or Ax but if you bet weak a bad player might try and bluff raise. He is never bluff raising if he has no fold equity

Also in the future you can make your bluffs cheaper and the good players at the table will remember this hand

If you just bomb away you can never make a cheap cbet as a bluff or any good player will get suspicious
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:42 PM   #8
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What the hell happened to this sub - forum since I've last been here? Every thread has a dozen posts advocating 40% psb "to keep the other players in the hand." Seriously considering to ask all villains I meet to learn how to play here.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:43 PM   #9
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Re: 500nl KK UTG (straddle)

Flop bet is only good if you did it to induce. That happened -- now get it in.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:45 PM   #10
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hmmm...months ago i would of just smooth called here and reevaluated on the turn...but i actually tanked for about 20 seconds and said 'all in' vs pushing my chips in...i feel like putting my chips in gives a tell and he SNAP called.

board ran out 8q

he looked at me like what do you have and i weakling said...'i have a pair' and he said youre good and i showed kings and he mucked...i have no idea what he had...ideas?
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:46 PM   #11
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Flop bet is only good if you did it to induce. That happened -- now get it in.
i almost checked right here hoping for an induce but i didnt want a check behind so i led out fairly small
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:48 PM   #12
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Nut diamonds? Any diamonds? who knows
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:50 PM   #13
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Re: 500nl KK UTG (straddle)

flop size is really not that bad, we can comfortably go for 3streets of value to put him in, and we might induce spazz with a smaller bet.
there really arenīt that much hands he could call a big bet on that board after preflop action. i like the way hero played it so far.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:51 PM   #14
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I'd also bet a little larger just since the board isn't totally dry. About $70 for me. If villain has any piece he is still coming along or bluff raising given his stack. You've induced a bluff / flush draw raise now, or what he thinks is a value raise with his J, now you happily jam. If he flopped a set oh well, but I think this player slow plays a set to trap.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:52 PM   #15
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hmmm...months ago i would of just smooth called here and reevaluated on the turn...but i actually tanked for about 20 seconds and said 'all in' vs pushing my chips in...i feel like putting my chips in gives a tell and he SNAP called.

board ran out 8q

he looked at me like what do you have and i weakling said...'i have a pair' and he said youre good and i showed kings and he mucked...i have no idea what he had...ideas?
course he SNAP called, he isnīt raise folding with these stack sizes obv. i wonder what you tanked though, maybe should have before you made that raise pre or that bet otf. not much "tanking" required in that spot.
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:53 PM   #16
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lets say i did bet larger, lets say $70...or even keep it at $55 and villain just smooth calls in position...giving what the turn brang...what is your play on the turn here?
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Old 07-02-2014, 04:54 PM   #17
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course he SNAP called, he isnīt raise folding with these stack sizes obv. i wonder what you tanked though, maybe should have before you made that raise pre or that bet otf. not much "tanking" required in that spot.
i tanked for about 30 seconds bc i didnt wanna insta go all in over him. i think if i instantly went all in that would give my hand away...no?
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:03 PM   #18
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i tanked for about 30 seconds bc i didnt wanna insta go all in over him. i think if i instantly went all in that would give my hand away...no?
i just donīt like the terminus "tank" all that much, i think itīs misused all the time, to me i would "tank" if i really face an unexpected action somewhere in the hand. you are more "hollywooding" imo.

nit picking i guess..
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:26 PM   #19
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whats wrong with 20-30 second thinking in this spot?
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:40 PM   #20
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whats wrong with 20-30 second thinking in this spot?
as i said, i was just nitpicking. not a spot to "tank" though, you should have a plan what you were gonna do if got raised before! you get raised, so i donīt think that spot requires much "tanking" which imo is for complicated situations.

just forget it, iīm just a little tilted that i read the word "tanking" all the time in the most unappropriate spots.
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Old 07-02-2014, 05:43 PM   #21
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oh okay lol...i prob should have said thought about it for 20 seconds bc i technically didnt tank
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:16 PM   #22
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I think the flop bet was great to induce heads-up...you got what you wanted, now put him all-in. If he flopped a set...that sucks.
I think it was a great flop bet also.


I don't see how you don't get it in here. unless.....you just call and then donk shove the turn into him.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:17 PM   #23
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Nut diamonds? Any diamonds? who knows

pretty much this
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