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Old 02-11-2014, 05:37 AM   #1
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500NL KJs in SB turn trips

Hey guys, I recently started playing again after a bit of a break and would love some feedback on this hand.

Hero: Late 20s reg with an aggressive image. Been shoved on a few times after making big turn/river bets and had to fold so aggro image might be slightly exagerated in villians view.

Villian: early 30s white reg, seems to be a cautious player. He is not extremely tight but he is passive. Saw him tank for a while before making what should have been an obvious call with a set on the river earlier that night.

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Villian has about $700 Hero Covers

Hero has KJ in the BB

PF UTG+2 opens to $20, CO+1 call, Villain in CO call, Hero Call

Flop ($80) K48
Checks to Villian in CO who bets $40, Hero Call, all else Fold

Turn ($160) K
Hero Check, Villain Bet $50, Hero raise to $150, Villian thinks for a bit and flats

River ($460) A
Hero???
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:21 AM   #2
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

I like to check call here. If you bet for value are you going to call a shove? If so, then lead out for $180. V Turn bet was weak, but yet called raise. Does that mean AcXc? Or doesn he not believe you have a Kx? He could also have KcXx and then you are beat by Q also.

I want to c/c here since the Ad really didn't do anything to improve your hand (you could still have a kicker issue) and he might lead out if AcXc was his holding and he thinks you were on a flush draw also and stabbing at the K on Turn. GL
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:37 AM   #3
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

nh wp, i would vbet 220 here
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Old 02-11-2014, 08:39 AM   #4
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

Pf is a fold, unless you think the field is playing K8 or worse and will put a lot of money in with TP.

The ace changes absolutely nothing on the river. If the villain has AK, you were behind from the beginning. The only hand that was behind that beats you now is AA and there's almost no chance of that. If you're not sure about betting this river, you shouldn't have raised the turn.
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:32 AM   #5
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

Fold pre since you are oop making pot control very difficult.

Is there a worse KX in his range? His descript indicates caution post-flop including big hands. While a hand like KTs calls turn, not sure about the river. He is folding club draws, if he didn't already OTT.

I'd check and likely fold. What worse hand would this type of player be betting? Can't think of any. I would not be suprised to see 88/44 show-up here. Having some bet-sizing history would be helpful.
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Old 02-11-2014, 12:48 PM   #6
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

calling pre is fine if you have a postflop edge on the table

also at a typical 1/2 and 2/5 game you will actually be doninating others with KJs

a squeeze is fine too in ths spot but calling is ok

vs this player on this board i c/c c/c c/c ALL THE WAY DOWN

raisng will make him fold K8s K9s K10 95% of the time
obcious c/c on the flop
let him semi bluff or bet his 99-QQ OTT
on the river c/c. if he bombs it folding is fine if he always has the nuts

prediction: he has AK and raises you on the river
and as the guy said above i c/f river
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:23 PM   #7
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

I would say you should check to let him bluff his FDs, but given that you say he is very passive, I'm betting something near $200.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:21 PM   #8
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

Hey guys, thanks for the replies so far.

A few things about my thought process in the hand..


About the preflop call - the 500 game at the casino I play at is very soft and I know I have a fairly large edge on the majority of players there post flop. Also, people will call with hands like K5s from EP, I've seen one of the players at my table do it in this current session already with that exact hand so there are a ton of dominated Kx out there. This is why I call even though I am OOP. On the rare occasions that one or two of the good regs is at my table and to my left I would be folding this.

I raise the turn because there are still 4 players when Villain double barrels here, and with the flush draws out there I felt that simply smooth calling behind is letting way to many people draw especially against my trips. The turn bet was only $50 into $160 with 4 players they are getting direct odds to call with club draws.

I DID in fact value bet the river, though I was not 100% sure on this play. My reason was the villian I am playing I have seen tank on super obvious calls when he had near nutted hands. I know if he has a busted flush draw he will 99% of the time check back so checking to induce bluffs is pointless in which case I want to get value from KT, K9, the occasional K7?

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Old 02-11-2014, 04:38 PM   #9
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

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the second king was K not putting a second FD on the table.
Isn't the K on the flop?
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:41 PM   #10
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Isn't the K on the flop?
Im ******ed nm that sectoin I was thinking of something else. HH is right, I'm just a spaz right now haha
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I raise the turn because there are still 4 players when Villain double barrels here, and with the flush draws out there I felt that simply smooth calling behind is letting way to many people draw especially against my trips. The turn bet was only $50 into $160 with 4 players they are getting direct odds to call with club draws.
That's not what you wrote initially. Others all fold on the flop, so you were 2 players on the turn. Changes the hand substantially.
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:01 PM   #12
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That's not what you wrote initially. Others all fold on the flop, so you were 2 players on the turn. Changes the hand substantially.
Gah you're right. There was at least one caller behind me..man I am bad at this right now.
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:59 PM   #13
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Re: 500NL KJs in SB turn trips

I think the river is a bet for value, problem is I don't see how you can fold if raised. You mentioned he was passive so I don't think his Acxc hands will be betting river. Also I never think he is raising unless you are beat. I'd bet small like 1/3 pot or something to get cryin calls from worse hands, it also may allow you to fold of he ships.
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