$1000 eff. My image TAG. Villain is also TAG, 24 year old guy, experienced, been playing for many years and for many years online although I don't know what stakes he played online. Seems like a grinder.

Donkey limps in EP, V limps in MP, I have KK in CO and make it $60. Blinds call and EP and V call.

Flop: 952r Pot ~ $240 Checked to me, I bet $160. Only V calls.
Turn: 6 V checks, I check back for pot control. Pot ~ $560
River: 9 V fires $450

You and why?

call. you are checking for pot control and to let V bluff rivers, you got what you wanted.

What worse hands do you expect villain to show up with besides the occasional 34s, 67s, and 68s? Does he even take this line with the latter two hands? I think you are gonna see 9x, 55, and 22 the vast majority of the time when you call.

Fold river, don't check turn.

this

He's going to check all of his 2pair hands to try getting to showdown and he has no bluffs

Pot is $300 on flop, no? I think $160 is a bit small if so but not a big deal either way.

As played its a pretty easy call. It sucks 5 people took the flop and now one of them is bombing the river but you cant check behind turn and now c/f river with KK here, unless villian is really a nit and never ever empty here.

Looks like we're beat yes but I dont fold as played and pray to see 78 or A3. Your hand at this point from his view could be AK/AQ, not an overpair. That being said, I think I would bet turn just because most of his range is 1pair and 1pair+draw type hand.

If you had bet with the intention of folding to a raise on the turn, you probably would have gotten some value from or folded out a hand like T9s or 97s which had decent equity on the flop. I dont mind checking though.

Why bet turn as opposed to checking?

Sorry, no, SB folded, saw flop 4-way.

I think the main problem that I didn't think of at the time is that V can't have TT-QQ because he limped pre. So that leaves only stuff that beats us (9x , 55 and 22) and bluffs. So essentially we can only beat a bluff OTR. We have bad pot odds to call a bluff. He'd need a high bluffing frequency in that spot. He's capable of bluffing but not that often. (I later saw him run a $1500 river checkraise bluff shove which failed lol).

On the other hand if he has a set, why did he check turn?

Umm, we lose to 78.

Whether I call depends in part on what kind of hands we can put him on with an MP overlimp, which in turn depends on whether hands were ever getting limped around, whether the EP is donkey that he would want to isolate, whether there was a lot of three-betting, etc. He really should have it here given that everyone else has folded by the time he calls $160 on the flop (i.e., no overlay for gutshots if he even has those in his limp-call range).

fold

TT JJ QQ

V is limp/calling all 18 combos of those?

I would check turn there 0% of the time. I would always call river as played

>0 combos?

he has those hands exactly 0pct of the time

+1

V's line and bet sizing look like 9x, boat, or straight...don't see this as being a bluff.

I find people are usually pretty unbalanced in these spots where their opponent has pot controlled the turn and they bomb the river. It's usually a value hand that wishes to make up for the value it missed on the turn.

Agreed.
I doubt villain would try to bluff you off an overpair, if he's trying to bluff you off of A high he wouldn't need to bet 80% pot