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500bb pot 2/5 NL agro Lagfish. Deep game thinking help needed. 500bb pot 2/5 NL agro Lagfish. Deep game thinking help needed.

03-24-2014 , 04:07 PM
Hello,

In this post I come off looking very stupid!

I really need help with this hand. Also, I'm thinking about the way I think about deep poker wrong. I do not get enough chances to practice deep poker as I would like. Comments on all streets and concepts welcome.

Saturday Night > Sunday morning , about 5 am.

I've been here since about 8 pm. I know I should not play so long but the game is fantastic. I'm starting to feel tired. I know I should not play long sessions but the game is so good I think I'm +ev. I joke, "Only 9 players to the flop! Tight table!"

Preamble:

2/5 (500):

Villain in hand is very loose and very aggressive.
He's seeing almost 100% hands to any raise and raising about 10% of the time.

He's folded preflop once. Someone asked him what he folded and he said it was 84 and it was unlucky.

He doubled up calling a raise with EP 86o vs QQ and then doubled up again with 74o again from EP.

I've moved to the "god seat" on him and he is on my immediate right.

Previously before I doubled up the fish:

Button open limps. Fish completes. I make it $45 from the BB. Fish calls $45,

I put the fish on ATC:

Flop Tc7d6d

Fish insta donks $100. This is the second time he's insta donked pot sized into me this orbit (last time I folded)

I make it $300

Fish shoves all in for $125 more.

I call $125 and hate my play.

Fish shows 86o
I am embarrassed to show J7s but glad I'm ahead!

An 8 gives the fish 2 pair on the turn and he doubles up.

An hour later I had this big hand with the fish.

Since the fish is calling raises with ATC I'm playing a much wider range preflop.

2 people limp. Fish limps in HJ, I limp in CO (5s4s), Button calls,small blind completes, BB makes is $10 more, Everyone calls.

Pot $90

Flop: 5d5c4c (I flop the nuts) (5s 4s)

EP shoves all in for 58, fish calls 58,

I make a huge mistake and decide to just flat the 58 to let the other players in. they call the 58.

Turn: 6h

Checked to the fish who bets $100, I make it 200, fish goes 400, I shove (He has 1135 and I cover).

Comments on everything appreciated!
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03-24-2014 , 04:22 PM
This is fine. The size of the pot isn't clear in your post but it looks like you shoves about the size of the pot, and raising less might look stronger. I'm okay with slowplaying when you flop the nut full house and there's money going on the pot already.

You obviously want to get the money in here because given his descrip/history, the combos that he has that beat you are vastly outnumbered by the combos you beat. 66 and 56 beat you. There are 3 combos if 66 and 3 combos of 56. Now add in every other 5, which he can and will play this way. A5 - 75 is 24 combos. 53 - 52 is 6. And I think these hands are all calling you. Villain can put you on a straight or flush draw.

So already we are at 30 combos we win an 6 combos we lose. Do we even have to consider giving him straight draws and flush draws, which are drawing dead to us? How about overpairs? If we add these hands out equity goes up and up. I suppose we could worry about getting money in slower vs. overpairs so he doesn't fold but then again, he's likely putting all the money in with a dead draw if you bet big so maybe those cancel out.

If you lost it's just variance. wp
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03-24-2014 , 04:23 PM
Villain is only a little over 200bbs deep right (not clear on stack sizes)? Seems fine to get it in with this guy in this spot but not raising flop this deep is really bad. Also your J7 hand was just played terribly. Raising pre in that spot is just WTF
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03-24-2014 , 04:31 PM
P.S. oops and I forgot about the gutshots which got there. Need to add 16 combos of 78 into the hands which call and are drawing dead against us.
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03-24-2014 , 04:41 PM
What is the question here?

We're obviously never folding this hand for any amount of money.
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03-24-2014 , 05:01 PM
The 554 hand is well played. V is a mega fish/spewtard. His range is very very wide, and you are crushing his range. Just because you lost the hand does not mean that you made a mistake. We are playing poker, not chess. You ran into negative variance and got coolered. It sucks, but there is nothing that you can do about it.

BTW....I do not like the J7 hand, and if you are tired and not playing well, then you should quit the game (regardless of how juicy the game is).
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03-24-2014 , 05:16 PM
He got coolerd obv .
He said he made a mistake by just flatting and letting peeps in behind him.
Sorry you lost to 66 or 56
The play is fine I guess. Just unlucky
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03-24-2014 , 05:24 PM
Grunch

I would tighten up with the LAG-fish on my right. Looks like he's putting people to the test early and often. I'd want stronger hands (than j7-midpair) so I can confidently call his big bets. No need to splash around, hoping to "finally catch him". Just wait until you have it and he'll happily ship it, OR suck out :-(. But either way you're still play appropriately.

I'm not sure whether or not I would have raised the flop.

Flop AP, I would have called the 400 on the turn and got it in on the river.
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03-24-2014 , 08:21 PM
not raising the flop in the 45s hand is really bad. as played obv gii

also the j7s hand is an abomination
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03-24-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jvds
not raising the flop in the 45s hand is really bad. as played obv gii

also the j7s hand is an abomination
Lol true but lol love abomination!
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03-24-2014 , 09:12 PM
Stack sizes not clear, unless i am missing something..

what was the pot size going into the turn? Why did you just min raise his $100 lead?
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