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02-18-2015 , 04:58 AM
Last night@local casino, room if full only 1-2 going on though.
Villain is a competent reg but he plays a lot of tourneys.Effective stacks are around ~160bb and he is mp+1 im on the HJ.
On with the hand, villain limps behind 2 limpers on mp+1, limp-limp and i limp T7 from the HJ.The button who from my short term knowledge has a PFR of ~40%+ raises to 10 and almost everyone calls, the pot is 90 preflop.I was paying attention to the Villain and when the option was back to him(preflop) his body was motioning like he wanted to 3bet but he eventually flat called.
Flop(90):456
Everyone checks and villain bets 50, i call and the rest folds.
Turn(190):4566
Villain now bets 125, i call again
River(440):45663
Villain instantly ships the rest of his stack 134, pot now is 574 and the action is back to me.
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02-18-2015 , 05:19 AM
I was going to criticize your limp but this is live lest I forget... Hand is wp I think (V showed down QQ+ right?)
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02-18-2015 , 05:23 AM
Lots of naked 6's and one line straights here along with flushes and FH's. Trivially easy call getting 4/1.

As an aside, lead the turn, you'll get looked up by worse and possibly get raised by a six who wants to protect his equity.
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02-18-2015 , 05:30 AM
Truth be told the title is a bit confusing as i was trying to collect a variety of option.
Please ignore it and try to be as neutral as possible about the hand, im not implying that i win or lose the hand, will post results later.
Dont forget we are in position in the hand.
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02-18-2015 , 05:47 AM
i assume you have the 10 high flush?

you have a bluff catcher. plain and simple.

i don't think you are good here 20 percent of the time.
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02-18-2015 , 06:00 AM
I got the Ten high Flush indeed, input on all street would be greatly apreciated.
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02-18-2015 , 06:56 AM
160bb deep, I might raise in HJ T7s or fold pre-flop the first time, why let BTN do it?
I'd also probably fold OTT. It is not that great of a card even though we made our flush imho and villain isn't showing any sign of concern. We are pretty much told OTT villain is not checking OTR. As, Ks etc might be a better card.

AP: I'd probably call OTR because of pot size (and I'm a fish), but I would think I am beat a high percentage of times.
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02-18-2015 , 09:08 AM
His actions tells me he was playing an over pair. As if he wanted it you to fold so you don't chase the obvious SD and FD. Also limping with AA happens a lot live, big mistake, but ppl get greedy. They think more players in PF means automatic more money.

You always got the pot odds u needed or close to it in each Street. Flopped an open ended SD and FD, so imo calling was the right play on the flop. I would probably ship it OTT assuming you have him covered as to protect me from a higher flush. He could probably make a mistake by calling, even if he gets there.
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02-18-2015 , 09:32 AM
Why are we not folding pre given the button is raising 40% of his hands and we are holding a hand that is 50-50 against ATC, much less top 40%. After the raise and it's apparently 8 handed when back to us closing the action, the 2nd call is better than the limp.

As played, if you play T7s and hit your flush and getting 3.5-1+ to call, you call.

Though you run into a FH here quite a bit, (V considering 3-bet sounds more like 33-66 than two high spades), but it's still a crying call IMO.
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02-18-2015 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
i assume you have the 10 high flush?

you have a bluff catcher. plain and simple.

i don't think you are good here 20 percent of the time.
We have under-repped our hand, why can't we be good here some of the time? Our villain is aggressive and we've let him take the lead. Not calling here is insane getting the kind of odds we are getting.

This isn't a bluff catcher, this is a highly coordinated board with a villain who's been active. He may think a straight or a 6 is the nuts and is value betting.
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02-18-2015 , 10:41 AM
I can go either way pre-flop. Not thrilled with the original limp, but once enough players are in the call for $10 is fine. I might actually lead or check/raise the flop. It's such a great flop for us -- I don't mind playing for stacks with this draw and I don't mind taking this pot now. I play my big draws pretty aggressively, though. I don't mind the check/call, but our hand is face up now, and he's still betting into us. This actually worries me a bit, but I'm not folding (this is 1/2 live). Calling down is fine.
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02-18-2015 , 10:54 AM
I play my draws aggresively as well, this time though he was screaming strength when he donked into the raises 9 ways.The way i looked at it his range otf is either made straight a set, maybe two pair or silly played overpair(77-JJ).I dont see me having a lot of folding equity vs that and most of all im still worried about the rest of the field who gonna auto-check to the PFR or havent speak up yet.
I definetly agree though i should have raised pre, i get passive sometimes when im having a bad session.
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02-18-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
We have under-repped our hand, why can't we be good here some of the time? Our villain is aggressive and we've let him take the lead. Not calling here is insane getting the kind of odds we are getting.

This isn't a bluff catcher, this is a highly coordinated board with a villain who's been active. He may think a straight or a 6 is the nuts and is value betting.
re-read the original post. hero said nothing about villain being active.

raiser was button. villain was a limper.

we are beat.
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02-18-2015 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by IbelieveinChipKelly
re-read the original post. hero said nothing about villain being active.

raiser was button. villain was a limper.

we are beat.
I was under the impression the raiser was the guy with the VPIP north of 40%. I'm all sorts of confused now...

I still call due to spazzing factor & getting 4-1 and that we're under-repped.

Last edited by DeathCabForTootie; 02-18-2015 at 11:15 AM.
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02-18-2015 , 11:45 AM
Raiser was button 40%+ guy; V is MP+1 and limp/called pre.

If you don't think V is going to fold, raising flop is even better to me. If he was motioning to limp/3-bet pre, what could he have that you lose to except AKs or AQs? Would he 3-bet 44, 55 or 66?
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02-19-2015 , 06:55 AM
What chipkelly said, the hand was not impossible to fold but in retrospect i was a bit tilting about the session and tired.
My thinking was he could have 7-8 for the made straight vs the sets and all the suited Aces-Kings-Queens-J9 and J8 which is the range that beats me.

So being optimistic OTR thought 12 combos of straights vs ~20 combos of higher flush and FH but honestly how many times he gonna show up with 7-8o there? He showed pockets 5s and i mucked saying i had A7
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02-19-2015 , 10:35 AM
Good reason for not playing T7ss in multi-way limped pots...just fold pre or raise big to isolate a weak player that you're fairly confident you can outplay.
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