From your and the other posters' perspective, I agree. My comment was really for the OP. The 5/T world of Southern New England is quite small. The OP should know things like the villain cares more about being bluffed off a hand than losing before trying to execute a big bluff.

This is irrelevant since V is most likely a fish from his limp/rr line, and fish don't like to fold strong overpairs postflop, and especially overpairs in 3bet pots, and especially against someone who already stacked them once.

I think pre is fine, flop is fine unless you think he checks whiffed AK/AQ, turn I would bet pretty small (like $250) with the intention of folding out missed AK/AQ and only continue bluffing on river if another heart rolled off (with another small bet aimed at folding overpairs without a heart).

Players do have a fold button. We haven´t gotten any info in OP that he stacks off with an overpair no matter what. he´s described as somewhat sticky, yes; but not a total station incapable of folding no matter the runout.

I always think if we are facing a situation without very strong reads we should play hands as good as possible in a vacuum instead of making a very exploitable play; here, we got to the river with a hand with zero SDV, the total bottom of our range, and the betting lead. We are able to tell a credible story. we should have bluffs in our range. River is a must jam imo, and I also don´t think we are overbluffing since this is about the only realistic bluff we should have here unless hero overfloats on the flop like crazy.

Also, villain will have AhXx a non-zero percentage of the time.

I think the hand is played fine if hero jams. If you get caught for a 130bb bluffjam, oh well... We hear repeatedly in this forum that it´s all about information and taking exploitable lines, if we shove here we got very valid information no matter the outcome; whatever he does from snap folding to tank calling, we gain valid information about his play we would not get otherwise.

(not saying by any stretch we make this play to gain information tho. It´s just a side effect.)

Basically, the point is that he's the villain is the mark in the game. You're not making money off of him by bluffing him.

I understand where you're coming from, and I do agree that players in general have a fold button and players in general would fold an overpair here, but imo when we narrow down this player in particular as a spot and given the factors involved it makes him more likely to call than not. So imo given that information it should be the other way around, assume the spot will likely call with overpairs here and adjust if there's a previous read that he folds overpairs in similar situations.

Unlikely, I play a lot of 2/5 and occasional 5/T at twin and the pool is pretty small, never seen him before. At a table usually filled with Todd john the lawyer Jose Niman Asian jimmy Bobby and some other pros, it's nice to have a weak player in the mix lol.

Also to note, when he rebought it appeared to be case money as he bought in for 925 with the remaining 100 or so in 20,s 10s and 5s.

He double checked his cards when he called the 425 which indicated a heart to me. I think he jams his flushes on the turn.

Also for those saying the tank shove is bad, can you honestly think of the last time someone tanked the river and shoves without effective nuts, I honestly can't which is why it's in my arsenal vs non thinking players.

I agree with all of this. Yes 44 call was silly stupid I admit. I especially agree with what responses would be if I were villain facing this heat on this runout. No way AAh KKh gets people advocating anything other than mucking turn.

Also, river shove was over 100bb, people seem to think he's priced in here

Taking two minutes to act, without facing any action, is super annoying/douchy. What rec player wants to sit at a table like this? None. Doing **** like this is terrible for the long term health of the game.

It's even worse that you are doing this in a time raked game.

I think pot size needs to be taken into consideration here when you say "facing action". Despite it being checked to me, there's a potential for a 400bb pot which I think is the sheer definition of action. also if it's a once per session type thing i see no need to get up in arms about taking 2 min on a singular decision personally. I've been throwing the tank bluff shove into my arsenal ofter the past year and it's worked quite well. Helps my bottom line a good amount and I'm generally a very fast player which is why I like to throw it into the mix here and there

Ok, so you found a hand to bluff with sometimes in a spot where your opponent is dead nearly always. Looks like you’re playing well and it doesn’t matter who your opponent is nor how he played his range. You probably ck bk turn plenty w this hand too which is also good. You just cannot be betting turns and checking many rivs though - that’s problematic.

Bluff is 10/10 as long as you play your 90%+ equity hands the same way which you likely do.

Btw The tank is very bad. Cut that out. Against real players you’ll more often level yourself out of money not into it.

You are trying to push a guy off an overpair, that you know 'chk calls' too much. Your read.

Seems to be a guy you should value bet against and not bluff off your stack too.

Bluff people 'smart enough too fold'. Those that always win at showdown - cause they fold to big bets when they dont have the nuts.

Seems likely Villain can have the dry ace ott if he convinces himself that his overs are live. I think you repped the flush well until the 2 minute tank, where you rep a guy afraid to bluff. Interesting that you've found tanking before bluffing works in the past.

I have no problem with the river if you put AhKx significantly in his range. I think it's -EV against a KK+ range. Interesting hand.

Thanks for sharing the hand.. Results?

He folded after about 30 seconds. Shaking his head and mumbling something about internet players.

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Originally Posted by AvgReg

mumbling something about internet players.

I'm calling BS.

Preflop seems fine.

Flop call doesn't seem good to me. Preflop and flop action/sizings suggest that villain mostly has big pairs. And though there are a bunch of bad cards in the deck for KK+, I think the ones that villain would be most worried about are the four nines that you are drawing to (i.e., whatever IO-based motivation there is to calling flop, I think you've gotta discount it quite a lot).

I think you probably do have enough fold equity on river to warrant your shove there, and turn seems fine too if you're shoving river. But you really should be thinking about your combined multi-street call/bet/bet line - in total, you ended up risking 2k to win 1k. It's going to be hard to get a villain to fold aces unless you go to the felt, and even then, he's still going to call sometimes, including scary runouts - because he's still going to have an overpair.