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I saw you or someone else mentioned A4s higher up, I'm just not sure a good player is cold calling a 3! with A4s from the blinds. I think they would 4! or fold that hand

Honesty, I think it's moot anyway because there are 8 combos of AK

X/r bet jam seems kind of thin for AK no? Maybe if the runout was K64-8-8 I could be on board w/ that

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03-16-2018 , 01:01 PM

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X/r bet jam seems kind of thin for AK no? Maybe if the runout was K64-8-8 I could be on board w/ that

Look at heros description of himself, he's been 3! light a lot. That puts a lot of Kx in his range OTB

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03-16-2018 , 01:04 PM

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Look at heros description of himself, he's been 3! light a lot. That puts a lot of Kx in his range OTB

Very true. But what would that range look like? K9s+, KTo+? Plus OP can have AA/KK/TT himself.

Combo-wise, that means AK from vil's POV would be losing to KK, TT, AA, KT (1 + 3 + 3 + 6 = 13 combos) and beating KQ, KJ, K9s (8 + 8 + 2 = 18 combos). So OP really has to have a ton of Kx and be an almighty station postflop for AK to be good as a shove IMO.

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03-16-2018 , 01:24 PM

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V may have discounted OP having some combos of KK/TT/KT based on calling the flop and turn

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03-16-2018 , 01:41 PM

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V may have discounted OP having some combos of KK/TT/KT based on calling the flop and turn

Without evidence that vil is willing to go that thin on this board, is KT even a jam on the turn? I value it more here for its incredibly relevant blockers.

I mean I still think we have a call, it's just much more pleasant of a call if he could potentially be valuing worse.

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03-16-2018 , 04:08 PM

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with the dynamic I can totally see him flatting pre with AA or KK to your perceived light button 3bet.

After you flatted his c/r otf he has to put AK and KT in your range, but seems to still think he's good. Is he really c/r'ing otf as a bluff than continuing like that after getting called? I would remove his light bluffs from his range at this point and I don't think he's flatting pre with AK or KTs.

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03-16-2018 , 05:02 PM

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100% call. V has to run this bluff with AQ, QJ, J9, and he's probably never doing this for value because you look like you're in hero call mode so he'd want to make sure you actually do it and not blow you off with an overbet

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03-16-2018 , 06:58 PM

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So Hero is in "hero call mode" and therefore Villain wants to bet small?

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03-16-2018 , 11:11 PM

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So Hero is in "hero call mode" and therefore Villain wants to bet small?

Personally I dont think anyone calls off 300BB in pure "hero mode". What I'm trying to say is that nobody would ever bluff for less. I also think the speech was an intimidation tactic, as if he isnt aware that hero doesnt have 5k behind and if he did so what? He's already betting 170BB on the river, was he going to fold for another 200BB or something since he's basically saying he has the nuts?

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03-16-2018 , 11:54 PM

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https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../?highlight=kt

lol K.

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03-17-2018 , 12:45 AM

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Once villain x/r flop and bets 800/1180 OTT I’m going to soul read him for 44. If I somehow called turn and he bet this big on river I would happily fold then.

It’s a Kxx flop in a 3! pot and villain is x/r you and following up on the turn with a large sizing. This is never QJ. He’s got 44 and is taking you to the cleaners.

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03-17-2018 , 03:55 AM

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i guess this is a meme hand of sorts?

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03-17-2018 , 06:24 AM

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https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1.../?highlight=kt

lol K.

Huh, what's going on here?

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03-17-2018 , 07:10 AM

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Isn’t it worth noting though that this is a button 3 bet by an aggressive player against a whale opening the CO? Hero has a lot of mediocre Kx that will call flop and fold turn and/or river.

I know QJ for instance blocks some of those hands but hero can still have 18 combos of KJ/KQ, 12 combos of AK and only 6 combos of KK and TT. Against someone who is described as one of the better players in the room do we want to be playing that exploitably? We are just getting so owned if he’s ever bluffing.

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