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05-22-2014 , 11:20 AM
V - To immediate left - tight player who has been sucked out on about 4 times in two hours for big pots (not by me) - I perceive a little tilt. 80
Me - 500 79
V raised all in 80 fold to me and I call? Thoughts?
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05-22-2014 , 11:33 AM
Depends on how you feel. Definitely not a +EV call, and not very good odds at just over 2:1.

But there's no action to come, he's a tilt monkey. I could go either way.

If you call, never showing unless you win the pot and give him one last suckout.

I'd probably just fold, there will be plenty of better marginal spots.
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05-22-2014 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
V - To immediate left - tight player who has been sucked out on about 4 times in two hours for big pots (not by me) - I perceive a little tilt. 80
Me - 500 79
V raised all in 80 fold to me and I call? Thoughts?
This question leaves very little room for discussion.
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05-22-2014 , 11:41 AM
I just... what???? Against ATC, our best case scenario:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.118% 46.99% 02.13% 985655348 44624623.00 { 9s7s }
Hand 1: 50.882% 48.75% 02.13% 1022667806 44624623.00 { random }
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05-22-2014 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard Parker
This question leaves very little room for discussion.
I was trying to leave it as broad as possible, actually.
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05-22-2014 , 11:51 AM
No gamble, no future. Just kidding. This is what the dealer in my local game always says and I find it hilarious.

In all seriousness, you posted asking if a call with nine high is good. It is not.

Side Note: 97ss is such a freaking monster for some reason.
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05-22-2014 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
I was trying to leave it as broad as possible, actually.
For what purpose?

We're talking about 16bb vs a "tight" player while we're holding a low equity hand.

Do you want to discuss how much tilt could affect him and his range?

Do you want to discuss what our equity is in this situation?

Do you want to discuss the impact of your image when you turn over your hand?

Do you want to discuss the implied value of pushing his tilt even further?

List can go on and on, and without any specific direction, it would also go nowhere.

There just isn't much content for discussion, and it would require someone else to build a context, in which you could simply provide right now, before anything of value could come out of this discussion.
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05-22-2014 , 12:00 PM
terrible call.

tight players who go on tilt will never play ATC like that ever.
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05-22-2014 , 12:12 PM
Fair enough - calling 9 high isn't normally my thing, but any credence whatsoever to "live cards" when the action is dead in the hand? If my stack was 900 would it be a closer call? Because there is no more action on any street - is my hand more favorable to strt, flush draws?
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05-22-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
terrible call.

tight players who go on tilt will never play ATC like that ever.
I like this point.
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05-22-2014 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
V - To immediate left - tight player who has been sucked out on about 4 times in two hours for big pots (not by me) - I perceive a little tilt. 80
Me - 500 79
V raised all in 80 fold to me and I call? Thoughts?
sucked out on 4 times in 2 hours for big pots? You must've been at my table.

Otherwise. I hope this is a joke post. 79s is AT BEST flipping but more than likely far behind his range. I think a better quesion is what were your thoughts/reasoning to call?
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05-22-2014 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
Fair enough - calling 9 high isn't normally my thing, but any credence whatsoever to "live cards" when the action is dead in the hand? If my stack was 900 would it be a closer call? Because there is no more action on any street - is my hand more favorable to strt, flush draws?
The bad call has nothing to do with your stack size. It's a bad call because his range has 79s crushed.
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05-22-2014 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
Fair enough - calling 9 high isn't normally my thing, but any credence whatsoever to "live cards" when the action is dead in the hand? If my stack was 900 would it be a closer call? Because there is no more action on any street - is my hand more favorable to strt, flush draws?
Effective stack.

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Originally Posted by HmrHed
Because there is no more action on any street - is my hand more favorable to strt, flush draws?
You're actually getting it backwards. A hand like yours, you want effective stack to be as high as possible, not less.

Let's put it this way:

If you have 20% hand equity to a hand, it's only profitable if you have more than 20% pot equity as well.

In this scenario, you are contributing ~50% to the pot, and your hand equity is much lower than 50%, thus negative EV.
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05-22-2014 , 12:39 PM
Call. This is a great spot to work on your post-river game.

If you aren't planning on bluffing post-river then fold.

edit: if you are playing 25-50 you can call here too.

double edit: if he is running really bad then your hand is pretty much a lock and you can call also.

triple edit: if another player had called and you have the opportunity to bluff into a dry side pot, this will be a good play as well.

quadfecta edit: if you really aren't joking here and this is a serious post, then ignore everything I said and read all the previous responses.
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05-22-2014 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SunChips
Call. This is a great spot to work on your post-river game.

If you aren't planning on bluffing post-river then fold.

edit: if you are playing 25-50 you can call here too.

double edit: if he is running really bad then your hand is pretty much a lock and you can call also.

triple edit: if another player had called and you have the opportunity to bluff into a dry side pot, this will be a good play as well.

quadfecta edit: if you really aren't joking here and this is a serious post, then ignore everything I said and read all the previous responses.
I lol'd
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05-22-2014 , 02:09 PM
I get the picture - thanks for the harrassm... ehm, responses. lol. I knew better - no seriously it was helpful. I play looser when I'm winning and it helps to refocus on fundamentals
Spoiler:
V has AQ, flop 77x, T-A, R-A - how's that for a kick in the nads. He showed I mucked.

Last edited by HmrHed; 05-22-2014 at 02:32 PM.
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05-22-2014 , 03:37 PM
never a call
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05-22-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HmrHed
If my stack was 900 would it be a closer call?
Lol how does this have any effect on the question? Doesn't matter if your stack is $80 or $1,000,000.
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05-22-2014 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ValueBluff
Lol how does this have any effect on the question? Doesn't matter if your stack is $80 or $1,000,000.
Idk - you're the genius.
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05-22-2014 , 09:14 PM
Obviously you're never ahead, and you're not getting odds. The only reason this is ever a call is if you want "maniac equity". Say "Ok I'll gamble with you." Turn your hand face up. No one will fold to you for the rest of forever.
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05-22-2014 , 09:28 PM
You only make this call if somehow the table is better with tight old nit with 160 and you 80 less. Seriously, 97o is not a bluff catcher heads up. It's going to be 2-1 against just about any hand or worse.
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