Game has a couple loose passives and I am on the card dead side forcing me to play pretty tightly for once ...

CO is squaring up to be a solid balanced player: some flop bluffraises and shut downs, some standard three barrels, lots of value towning the fish, nothing remarkable.

UTG ($10k)
MP ($7k)
CO ($2k)
BTN ($4k)
Hero SB ($1.5k)
BB ($5k)

UTG limps $5, MP folds, CO raises to $25, BTN folds, I call $25 with red 88 , BB calls UTG calls

Flop ($105) 823r

I check, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $55 I call $55 BB folds, UTG folds

Turn ($215): T (completes rainbow)

I check, CO checks

River ($215): 9

I check, CO bets $100 I raise to $375, CO thinks for a couple minutes and to my surprisement ships all-in for ~1k on top

What . . .

Fist pump call, and reload when he shows up with 99 or 1010? I don't play nearly this high, but I can't see not calling here, and anything else seems MUBSy. But I'm confirmed busto, take that as you will.

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Also it seems to me your hand is under repped, so I could easily see villain doing this with AA or KK here, or 910 that maybe got there.ould make sense with the turn check.

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he has TT exactly never here given turn action.

And V takes this line with KK or AA?? I feel like I'm repping exactly what I have, what c/c flop chk turn and c/r river that doesn't have one pair beat? Clearly AA or KK would just call off my river c/r if not just fold. AA or KK 4b shove never gets called by worse and only called by better 100% of the time

Re-read the hand... it's impossible with these stacks and betting line to have TT,AA,KK

You fist pump call the 6th nuts in 600bb pots?

You think he leads T high into 3 other players on the flop?

Really sick spot. Tank ships always seem so nutted to me. There are 10,000 ways I could level myself into a call here. I don't see how he can rep anything other than the nuts, and unfortunately it's in his range. These spots I just go with my gut. Puke fold is probably right. I don't play 5/5 but when I make these kinds of calls I'm almost always disappointed.

Well you flopped top set and decided to check three times, maybe rethink that before analyzing anything else. Raise flop/bomb turn/bomb river. He's either got a hand he wants to continue with or he doesn't. You have 100% value zero bluffs when you c/c flop instead of c/r. You know why c/r top set on these boards is great? Because V's think to themselves "the board is so dry, why would he raise with a set?!"

So V checks back turn because he knows you have a value hand and wants to get there. Now you c/r river, so it looks like you have a set or 2p, and V ships it anyway. Hard to fold sets but feels like V always shows up with QJs/J7s/67s in some ******ed way where he had a backdoor FD, turned a gutter, then got there. Just bet/call river instead of c/r. What hands do you expect V to pay off a c/r with on the river? It's unlikely he has an overpair, overpairs and sets don't check back turn, so what's he gonna show up with that calls $375? River 3b bluff jams are extremely rare and it takes a special kind of V to turn their value hand into a bluff or just 3b jam a total bluff over a river c/r when it looks like you have a strong hand.

My money is on JQ,cbet the flop to try and take it down and backed into the nuts...I mean it could be 6-7,99 or J-7...

Def don't think we should have a c/r range on this flop... checking 3 streets with a set here is optimal against solid vs.

Sounds like you have it all figured out. Why are you asking what to do on the river? Dont you have that all figured out too?

I don't think the nuts are in his range so much but he can be CERTAIN they aren't in mine. DUCY? I can't have any straights here. At the same time, is he really bluffing flop into 3 other players?? All the straights he could have would be so weird to bet flop with.

You think he's leading QJ, J7 or 67 into three players? I think 109 is only slightly more likely than those three options, given river action. Its way more likely this is either a set or nothing. And while yes, it's the sixth nuts, three of those better hands are so unlikely in his ha d I can discount them. And then I go back to my original statement. Call it off and sigh reload when he shows up with 99 or 1010.

Mike someone of your skill should be a little less condescending with your input and a little more constructive. Avarita has told me against solid capable opponents flopping a set OOP is a check on all streets

$125 on the turn
$250 bet/fold on the river.

Same price, much better line imo.

I can see a flop flat here, but definitely not risking the turn checking through.

I was only condescending because you are arguing with every response you get....like you already know the perfect way to play the hand. There is no perfect way to play most hands. Especially when this deep.

If you want to stay out of major trouble when this deep then just check/call all 3 streets. You cant check raise this river this deep unless you have already decided to fold to a shove or call a shove before you do it.

Once the turn checked thru I dont know why you didnt bet the river. I probably wouldve been the one to bet $100 and then you could call if he raised to $375

Yes I am aware of this, its one of the 10000 ways I would level myself into a call, and yes I could see him bluffing into 3 people on this flop.

As played, fold.

Looks like QJs, TT that got all trap happy OTT, or 99 that rivered gin. It would take a true sicko to shove this river, when only holding a J/Q blocker.

If you’re going to c/c every street then just fold pre.

Avg,


That’s right on the money.

If checking top set OOP 3x in this spot is optimal for you, you’re probably not aggressive enough overall.

Played as you do, I sigh and call and usually lose to QJ or 99, but can’t find a fold due to the line I took. But I wouldn’t actually take that line.

Ava is not always right. If you agree with him that a set OOP is a check on all streets, then a ship over a check raise would be a fold here.

I would go with wj94's advice here though.

Also, buy in deeper.

Wj has a good post. I’d prolly lead flop since I don’t expect V to stab multi-way.

Really looks like 99 to me given the flop bet, turn action and the $25 raise pre.

I agree with WJ, too. Don't like these passive lines at all because this hand is exactly the types of mess they put you in.

I'm check-raising this flop with 88 and 32s, but I'm also check-raising it with A5s when it connects to one of the flop suits and AJ/AT and KQ most of the time, too. If I pick up another suit match on my A5s I'm barreling the turn. If I check-raised AJ and a K lands, I'm barreling too.

If you're worried that everyone always folds when you check-raise here then you need to work on your image.

As played, if I had a good reason for taking such a passive like then I'm not check-raising a bad runout because I can't see what V can call that isn't better. Yes, overpairs can take this line too, but if he had KK and gets check-raised on that river, he's going to find a fold often enough that a check-raise here with your hand just isn't worth it.

I'd take your line against some uncoordinated LAGtard buffoon, but not against the average field.

Fold.

C/c turn and checking turn seems standard on this board multiway. Check/raise river would be kind of standard if we were less than 200bb deep imo. Then you can easily call off a shove (or check/shove yourself depending on exact stacks and betsizes) and call it a cooler if he shows up with 99 or a straight.

Here we're 300bb deep and I prefer not to open up my stack on the river with a big check/raise. I'd expect him to fold all his overpairs that pot controlled the turn. In fact I can't think of a single worse hand that's gonna pay us off here, can you? Maybe T9s (would he cbet with that?) or T8s (which you block heavily). But if I'm villain, there'd already be all sorts of alarmbells going off in my head when a presumably solid player is calling my cbet OOP multiway on this flop...

So in this case I prefer to bet/sigh call the river myself (yes sigh call, we definitely shouldn't be happy dancing if he raises) instead of check/raising.

I dunno, maybe c/r the flop isn't such a dumb idea after all. If flatcalling is already setting off most alarmbells, might as well raise then... I still wouldn't though, I'd want to invite BB and UTG in as well.

I respect Ava but there is zero chance that checking top set the whole way 300 blinds deep is optimal. I would have either (1) led this flop, (2) x/r the flop, or (3) raised the turn. You basically got the least value out of your huge hand that you could and then compounded that error by check-raising the river with no idea where you stood or how you would respond to a shove.

No offense, but this line seems about as sub-optimal as you can get.