Villain: Played with him once before, early 20's seems pretty TAG/standard, don't really have a definitive read on him
Hero: TAG but can mix things up

Session has just commenced on new table, this is the 3rd orbit. No one really getting out of line

CO Hero ($1050)
BB ($1100)

E/S - $1050

Hero is dealt 57

3 limpers from EP and MP, Hero over limps in CO, Villain raises to 30 from bb, 2 limpers call, Hero calls

Contemplated raising pf myself but decided to limp. After 2 callers I decide to call in position with SOG. No real reads on villain raise sizing besides the fact that standard open is $20 and most players in this game add 1bb per limper

Flop ($130) Q,6,3 1
Checks through

Surprised this checked through as it is such a dry board. At this point I feel he either completely whiffed or flopped a monster (set) and is slow playing. It is possible he checks KK or AA.

Turn ($130) 4

Villain bets $75, Hero raises to $210

I thought about raising to $250 but decided that my hand being so strong (I have picked up fd) that I want action. Villain calls rather quickly. At this point he either flopped a set or has also picked up a fd (presumably the nfd). I think if he had an overpair he would take a longer time to assess the call so I exclude that from this range.

River: ($550) 9

Villain checks, Hero bets $400, Villain shoves rather quickly, Hero?

I decided to bet large on the river as a flopped set is paying me off so may as well get max value. I really did not expect the check shove - I feel that if he bd'd a flush he would lead fearing to lose value if I check back? - I guess we have no choice but to call getting 4:1?

Is the Queen the heart on the flop?

Regardless, never bet folding river in this spot, Turn raise should have been a bit bigger like you said but meh.... call it off and expect to be good here more than 1 in 5 times IMO.

This is a really sick spot, because you don't see people check raise on a 3 flush board with just a set or 2 pair, it's typically just a call. I honestly feel like he has a pair and the nut flush. But, the ridiculous price you're getting how could you ever fold?

Though, I find myself in spots like this all the time, getting a really really good price, and I say the same thing. "I only have to be right 1 in 5 times, okay I'll call." And I find it's rarely right for me to call. To me it seems that people just aren't bluffing enough at these stakes, especially check raise shoving the river, to make calls like this make sense.

I completely expect for you to come and say that he had the nut flush at some point.

calling all day, if V is the least bit competent hes not going for a c/r if he dinks this river when he may very well only get action if we magically hit flush too (which we did but it doesnt look remotely like that when our big action was on the turned str) ...if he really rivered big flush (results aside) he played this very poorly imo because were unlikely to fire again if we didnt also wander into the flush.

keep in mind board still looks pretty dry save for the backdoor, so he could very likely think this is a set over set situation with him ahead and if hes committing to your 400 it would be practical to come over AI

It'd be really tough to fold this, but how many TAG/standard players at this level check/raise all in on the river without a flush? The only hand I can see him doing this with that we beat is AhQx or some other hand with Ah (AK, AA?). However, what is V checking the flop with and just calling the turn with that we beat on the river? Wouldn't he bet or raise a set? Yes, checking the river with a flush would be odd, but maybe he thought that's the only way to get money in -- thinking H would fold if bet into but hoping H would bet if checked too. I just can't put V on something we beat.

this is AKhh like 1000% of the time.

You do have a choice and the right choice is to fold.

Also, flop should be a bet.

This is prolly a puke call. I hate bet folding but idk... Pretty gross spot.

I am in the minority here that will fold... Pretty sure he has a high heart... I agree with the poster who said that at this level, there are usually not a lot of bluffs like that

player read i guess. I just dont see any decent V checking into us on rivered flush here when he would have had to consider implied of calling obviously behind on turn...nearly always our hand wouldnt ALSO hit flush on river and so, we often check behind...in other words missing a value bet on river here into our shown strength as opting to just hope we bet out on the 3rd heart again...is bad. if we dont think hes that bad, flush seems questionable. IMO

our flush is massively hidden by the big raise on turn with the straight. he should never expect a flush here enough to go for c/r when the heart should be a potential scare to us from his call on turn

I agree that I have a choice but when the pot is 1700 and I have 400 behind giving me better than 4:1, my instincts tell me that i'm most likely beat and that he's only shoving the nut flush - I don't know how I can fold getting these odds - there's a small chance he could be spazzing with QQ? It's a really annoying spot.

Also why is the flop a bet? Surely we are happy taking a free card to hit our deceptive straight?

There is no point in hitting a deceptive straight against Vs who have A-hi or inder-pairs the majority of the time in this spot, since you simply have no implied odds. You said yourself that on this flop the main V has either missed completely, or has top set the majority of the time. Due to combinations this is heavily weighted towards air/over-cards which can't call a bet with two players behind him to act.

Similarly, the other two players are often going to be betting Qx here assuming they are typical limp/call fit/fold type players. As such their range is also sets or air, but with inderpairs mixed in as well. These inderpairs may call a flop bet, but will fold to a double barrel almost always unless the turn is a Q or gives them a set.

How often does QQ play the hand this way compared to AKhh or AJhh? Makes little sense for QQ. Makes a ton a sense for the nut flush.

Is the Q hearts on the board?? If not, then I'm advocating a strong case for V showing up with AQhh...1st to act and might have been waiting for a c/r on flop. If he had a set on the turn, you're getting re-raised on turn....not c/r on river. Despite pot odds....puke fold in this case.

What hands were you putting V on when he flatted your raise on turn?? Pair + flush draw would've been in my range here....

bet the flop, i guess fold now although the river sizing is horrible

you should think about what range V gets to the river in this way with, what range you get there with (what he thinks you will get there with as well, although these two are likely similar), and what the implications will be if he chooses different strategies oop otr. id first look to see what hands you can valuebet if he checks his whole range to you, then maybe adjust from there if you think he has some hands he would want to bluff with (AhAx maybe if he cant profitably bluffcatch). based on the range i think he gets to the river with, you are certainly going to have to bet smaller to get value from the part of his range that you are actually beating that will call you.

I don't agree with JVDS on betting the flop but agree with his thoughts on the river sizing....