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5/5 Turn check overpair for pot control vs. good reg? 5/5 Turn check overpair for pot control vs. good reg?

07-07-2018 , 03:43 PM
5/5, $1800 eff

Villain is young Asian, solid TAG reg who's capable of bluff raising flop/turn with draws and firing blank rivers. Balances his flop checking range, etc. One of the better players at the table.

Hero w/ QQ in HJ
MP limper, Hero raises to 25
Villain on BTN calls (has been calling me pretty wide when IP to my PF raises)
BB, MP call

Flop [105]: 843
Hero bets 70
Only villain calls

Turn [245]: 7
Hero?

Against a bad player I'm likely going for 3 streets, but I think this particular villain is too good to pay me off 3x. This board also gives him a ton of hands that can check-raise me off my hand. Is this best play here to check/call turn and possibly non-club/5/6 rivers as well?
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07-07-2018 , 03:54 PM
Any idea how he views you? Whats our image like? Any other dynamic info?

so mp check folded? Seems like a weird spot mw for v to call without some reasonable equity.

I think I like a bet ott. Just because you decide to bet turn doesnt mean we have to go or expect 3 streets. Just adjust your sizing. Hard to say w/o more specifics about v.

In this spot what would you continue betting with ott?

do we have any other hh's of hands we played with this v?

Sounds like we may be afraid to go for value because we think v will raise with worse hands often and put us in a tough spot. If thats the case just bet/ maybe even size down to induce and call flop and call most rivers.

Last edited by 7weeks2days; 07-07-2018 at 04:07 PM.
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07-07-2018 , 04:07 PM
The best play is to bet & not fold to a raise.
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07-07-2018 , 05:08 PM
It's certainly fine to x/c turn. Villain has all 14 combos of sets/87s, and we'd hate for him to semibluff another 15 combos of 55/66/76s when we're this deep. There aren't many worse hands that villain can have that don't make great semibluffs. Plus we'd check some overcards on the turn like AK, so it makes sense to balance our turn checking range by including some overpairs in it too.

I'd actually be okay with checking our entire range on the turn.

If turn goes check-check, then I'm value betting all safe rivers and probably x/calling the dangerous rivers.
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07-07-2018 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Calldown88
The best play is to bet & not fold to a raise.
+1
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07-08-2018 , 12:05 AM
Against a good reg, im okay with checking turn, esp given read he can bluff raise flop/turns ans barrel blanks. Flop i wouldnt mind a check but against MP fish it’s a straightforward bet.

His betting range ott is wayyyyy wider than his calling range, and we’re just going to make a lot more money here x/c’ing to keep ranges wide/induce bluffs. Also the turn is such a bad card for our range that we should be checking a lot of our range here
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07-08-2018 , 03:10 AM
Bigger pre ffs
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07-08-2018 , 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's certainly fine to x/c turn. Villain has all 14 combos of sets/87s, and we'd hate for him to semibluff another 15 combos of 55/66/76s when we're this deep. There aren't many worse hands that villain can have that don't make great semibluffs. Plus we'd check some overcards on the turn like AK, so it makes sense to balance our turn checking range by including some overpairs in it too.

I'd actually be okay with checking our entire range on the turn.

If turn goes check-check, then I'm value betting all safe rivers and probably x/calling the dangerous rivers.


Bingo.
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07-08-2018 , 09:32 AM
How is he going to check raise you off your hand when hes OTB?
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07-08-2018 , 10:06 AM
V image aside, the turn card hits his calling range much harder than your PFR range. C/C, then eval river.
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07-08-2018 , 11:02 AM
50 pre
bet flop, bet turn
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07-08-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 7weeks2days
Any idea how he views you? Whats our image like? Any other dynamic info?

so mp check folded? Seems like a weird spot mw for v to call without some reasonable equity.

I think I like a bet ott. Just because you decide to bet turn doesnt mean we have to go or expect 3 streets. Just adjust your sizing. Hard to say w/o more specifics about v.

In this spot what would you continue betting with ott?

do we have any other hh's of hands we played with this v?

Sounds like we may be afraid to go for value because we think v will raise with worse hands often and put us in a tough spot. If thats the case just bet/ maybe even size down to induce and call flop and call most rivers.
One notable hand between us: I have flop X/R him OOP on 983ss with 77sx, then fire turn/river when frontdoor clubs comes in as a bluff, and he calls me down with 86ss, so he knows I'm capable of bluffing multiple streets as well. He's also seen me go for 3 streets of value against people with stuff like TP2K on safe run-outs.

Haven't really thought about balancing my ranges too much honestly - I'm probably betting all 2p/sets/straights, KK/AA combos without a club, and AKcc/AQcc?

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Originally Posted by Calldown88
The best play is to bet & not fold to a raise.
AP, I bet 180, he raises to 450. When I call, pot is 1150. River is offsuit 2, and he bets 850. Are you calling off 300+BB here on this board?

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Originally Posted by Minatorr
Against a good reg, im okay with checking turn, esp given read he can bluff raise flop/turns ans barrel blanks. Flop i wouldnt mind a check but against MP fish it’s a straightforward bet.

His betting range ott is wayyyyy wider than his calling range, and we’re just going to make a lot more money here x/c’ing to keep ranges wide/induce bluffs. Also the turn is such a bad card for our range that we should be checking a lot of our range here
Yeah agreed, 7 is pretty good for V's entire continuing range. I should be firing again on board pairs and any card T+. Otherwise he can raise me off my hand pretty easily here.

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Originally Posted by wait
Bigger pre ffs
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Originally Posted by oldsilver
50 pre
bet flop, bet turn
I'm confused, why are we 10x'ing pre with one limper?
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07-08-2018 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3
I'm confused, why are we 10x'ing pre with one limper?
pls ignore, every 5/5 game i play has a $10 live straddle also
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07-08-2018 , 09:51 PM
If I am betting the turn I would bet less. I think I like checking more than betting so big. As played, once we size up ott and he basically 2.5x I would lean towards folding unless we have a more comfortable call turn call off river plan based on dynamics that do not seem to exist at this point.
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07-08-2018 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Calldown88
The best play is to bet & not fold to a raise.
+1 dont b/f turn to people who like to bluff raise.
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