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07-07-2018 , 03:16 PM

BreakEvenAt1-3

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5/5/10 (straddle) Bike, $800 eff

Hero w/ T

in SB
EP limp
HJ open to 50 (good, TAG reg)
CO, BTN calls (both high VPIP gambly-types)
Hero raises to 225
HJ and BTN call

Flop [730]: A

Hero?

Any merit to open jamming here? HJ has a pretty narrow range when he flats my squeeze - I'm thinking 88-QQ, AQ, maybe AKo if he doesn't 4b IP with that hand. BTN has a much wider range and could be calling with as many aces as A8o+, any Axs. However, there's 2 aces on the board, and I have many more Ax in my pre 3b range than villains. I may also fold out JJ/QQ that flatted pre from either player.

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07-08-2018 , 05:38 AM

momo_uk

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Why re-raise to only $225 pre after 2 players call $50? That sizing is just inviting a train of callers, and we’re not going to like many flops.

Just check/folding flop.

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07-10-2018 , 08:33 PM

Jarretman

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You can consider just jamming pre tbh. If we make it like $300 pre we can't fold to a jam anyways so just jam yourself.

As played.... yea I think this is a x/f 3way

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07-10-2018 , 08:44 PM

browni3141

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Bet $175.

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07-10-2018 , 10:21 PM

BreakEvenAt1-3

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Originally Posted by Jarretman

You can consider just jamming pre tbh. If we make it like $300 pre we can't fold to a jam anyways so just jam yourself.

As played.... yea I think this is a x/f 3way

Agreed pre sizing was too small, but are we jamming our entire squeeze range? Seems a little extreme to do with QQ+ and we’re folding out too much of our opponents weaker hands.

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07-10-2018 , 11:03 PM

Minatorr

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Jam pre is interesting. We pick up $165 if we arent called and should have a lot of FE, gambly vpip fishes shouldnt have too many strong hands here.

Ap i prob just x/f. HU i just shove

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07-11-2018 , 11:09 AM

shorn7

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Meh. I think shipping pre is an overplay versus the PFR (good TAG reg). I also think our raise size is too small. If we make it $350, we can probably accomplish the same thing as a jam (and maybe it looks even more valuey) and then open shove most flops.

AP, with 2 callers, I think it is an easy x/f.

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07-11-2018 , 06:19 PM

lalaLove

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If someone has access to pokersnowie would it be possible to set up a similar situation to see what sizing it recommends? I’m guessing it would size larger than 250 with this particular hand.

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07-11-2018 , 06:29 PM

AKQJ10

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Originally Posted by shorn7

What does open shoving most flops accomplish here? Are we trying to make JJ-QQ fold with SPR < 1? Getting value from two-overcard hands?

Not saying it's wrong, just that I want to understand the theoretical rationale.

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07-11-2018 , 06:57 PM

#10

6bet me

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I'd honestly just jam pre with your stack size. If we were deeper, then I'd squeeze to $300, but I don't like to put in more than a third of my effective stack preflop without just jamming it all-in.

As played, as annoying as it sounds, we need to go into x/f mode. If anyone makes a bet, on any street, we should fold. If we're incredibly lucky, we'll reach showdown and win, but most of the time, we just have to accept the fact that we're going to forfeit the pot.

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07-11-2018 , 08:53 PM

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Jarretman

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Originally Posted by BreakEvenAt1-3

Agreed pre sizing was too small, but are we jamming our entire squeeze range? Seems a little extreme to do with QQ+ and we’re folding out too much of our opponents weaker hands.

Then raise to 300 with QQ+ and jam 77-JJ, AQ-AK, AJs, ATs, A5s lol who cares there's 2 fish in the pot. Jamming with TT is going to perform MUCH better EV wise than a raise to anything less than jamming.

But ya you should be jamming your whole 3bet range here if you wanted to be balanced.

Protip: anytime your 3bet range can't fold to jam because any hand you 3bet will have enough equity to call the jam given the price, you should have jammed yourself (unless you're super exploiting someone)

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